Vegoon @ Vegoon @feddit.de

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Animals rape each other, right?

Here is what happens if we don't switch to a plant based diet:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357

https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets

https://ourworldindata.org/food-ghg-emissions

The breeds abused for milk are like those dogs which can't breath. What is your stance on dogs who cant breath or run, do we need to breed them to avoid their extinction?

Every billionaire is a failure of society. But not every billionaire is source for memes as musk is.

I come from the point that if we don't have to kill or abuse others we should not. That is the case for most of us. You can't ethical impregnate a cow, steal the baby and drink their milk. Raising chicken breeds which can't stand on their own feet or get infections and tumors and just live to be exploited is not justifiable with taste.

Is the act of killing someone who does not want to die and does not need to die ethical if painless?

Have you seen non human animals that want to die for humans to be consumed by them? https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmIqdlomtuSsJEoFi_L_pfEAPIxDRo4DB

Why is it ideal or even ethical to kill others "kosher or halal" when we don't have to kill in any way? How does this relate to them living in cages before?

If we don't have to kill and abuse others we should not do it just for pleasure.

Have you done your own research what matters most or do you go with science?

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357

According to the IPCC going vegan is the biggest single step one can take.

Plant based diets use 75% less land, less fertilizer, no manure which is destroying the water. With a plant rich diet we could reduce GHG from 1500 gt to 708.

I think you should re-read the paper.

One line under the headline:

"Having big U.K. meat-eaters cut some of it out of their diet would be like taking 8 million cars off the road,"

Here is the serious headline:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357

Global food system emissions could preclude achieving the 1.5° and 2°C climate change targets

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357

To have any hope of meeting the central goal of the Paris Agreement, which is to limit global warming to 2°C or less, our carbon emissions must be reduced considerably, including those coming from agriculture. Clark et al. show that even if fossil fuel emissions were eliminated immediately, emissions from the global food system alone would make it impossible to limit warming to 1.5°C and difficult even to realize the 2°C target. Thus, major changes in how food is produced are needed if we want to meet the goals of the Paris Agreement.

If not needing some ruler who dictates me how to behave makes me superior, I take it.

Maybe it is more of a sexual thing for you when you want somebody to tell you what to do? Have you been a bad consoomer? Do you need to be punished with veggies?

How weak has one to be to call for a strong ruler who forbids them to kill others for pleasure when they could chose it any day...

No further questions, I don't debate those who prefer fascism over personal responsibility.

So you are vegan, or do you need a strong figure in your life to force the change upon you that you want to see?

Or do you use the "but not everyone" as a excuse for your behavior?

Cut subsidies to meat. Tax carbon.

This is one part of their recommendations, cut meat subsidies and use it for plant based food, have you not read the report? Or do you wish that they use nukes to force it?

I feel misrepresented. The harm caused by road construction and driving is not intended, but accepted. It’s part of the whole package, which is the part which is intended.

Do you think we could say the same if kill a worm by tiling the soil for plants? as not intended but accepted? That is the hole point, it is accepted side effect. But the killing of a cow is the main goal in the animal industry, not a side effect.

Can we? I mean, agriculture is intentional

That is like saying the intention of driving is killing kids on the street because it happens. Is the intention of wearing cloth to slave others? Is the intention of buying meat to kill children?

Animal industry is paying for murder and abuse, there is no way about it. It is what you pay for. That is the deal, your money their lives.

There is no zero kill diet

Occasionally, some vegans bring up this idea and react very sensitive when confronted with how it’s false.

Maybe they have a hard time to explain the difference between intentional raising, raping and killing versus the death of critters, which meat carries many times more because feed production uses more plants than eating plants directly. But unless you are a monk and care about every step you take and grow your own no impact is delusional. Everything we use has a impact, every metal, every plastic end every car drive. But we can stop the intentional killing. Maybe a "zero murder" philosophy and not a "zero deaths" way.

But it is cheaper to hire slaves and let them piss in bottles, so you have to accept that as long as robots are not cheaper and faster. As long as robots are not 90% as fast and cheap as humans.