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Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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  • If you choose to compare "fancy plant based capitalism" to reconstructed chicken sludge yes. But then I could compare beans to kobe beef?

    Most of the plant based meat-like products are aimed towards meat eaters but a normal plant based diet is cheaper in every part of the world. The poorest people eat way more plants not by choice but because they are economical forced to.

    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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  • Grass feed ruminants produce more CO2 than starch feed, grass fed is less than 10% in the US and they still get soy from the rain forest feed, its not exclusive.

    You compare wild animals to the 90 billions that are killed each year. To give you some scale: https://xkcd.com/1338/

    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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  • If you care about the climate going vegan has the most impact one can do according to the IPCC. I am vegan and still have enough energy to fight for change on different topics. It is not that that its a excuse to do nothing else, it is just the bare minimum in my eyes.

    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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  • We know that we have a Impact on others but shouldn't the goal be to keep it a minimum?

    Animal industry is the intentional killing and abusing of animals. Animal feed is the biggest part of crops grown, for those crops all kind of animals are killed on a big scale. Veganism is about reducing the impact, stopping the intentional killing and reducing the unavoidable impact as much as possible. There is no delusion of a "zero impact vegan" it is just a construct for people who want to justify not changing them self.

    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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  • Vegan is easier for me compared to vegetarian which I was for a few years. Now I don't have to think about it, if it contains animal products I don't support it. I found more new recipes instead of just avoiding things I added more new things. Vegetarian diet is mostly removing stuff while a plant based diet is more about adding new stuff.

    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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  • You have no idea of the scale we are dealing with.

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357

    Vegans still care about the ban of oil and many other topics like zero waste, it is not exclusive.

    Due to the current infrastructure not everyone can just stop using fossile fuel based transport, but we all can go vegan. So yes, we pick battles, those we can win now and we still fight against what we cant change as individuals.

    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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  • private air flight is responsible for orders of magnitude more co2.

    Aviation worldwide creates 2% of man made GHG, food production 25% and could be reduced by 75% with a plant based diet.

    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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  • Everyone can stop support what is bad.

    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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  • All aviation creates 2% of the GHG. Food production is responsible for 25% of the GHG and could be reduced by 75% with plant based diets.

    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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  • Would you be good with Bezos saying

    I'm all in for robots if they work as fast as humans and are cheaper than the slave wage I pay them now

    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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  • The industry kills 90 Billions each year. The IPCC calculates with a decline over 20 years. So maybe people pay next year to only raise and kill 60 Billions and so on.

    Farmers already kill them if they have a financial incentive like raising feed prices or falling meat/dairy prices.

    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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  • Here is the IPCC take on it:

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357

    To have any hope of meeting the central goal of the Paris Agreement, which is to limit global warming to 2°C or less, our carbon emissions must be reduced considerably, including those coming from agriculture. Clark et al. show that even if fossil fuel emissions were eliminated immediately, emissions from the global food system alone would make it impossible to limit warming to 1.5°C and difficult even to realize the 2°C target. Thus, major changes in how food is produced are needed if we want to meet the goals of the Paris Agreement.

    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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    • Eating meat creates four times more greenhouse gases than being vegan, landmark study finds

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  • I feel the need to explain the natural carbon circle.

    You know that the problem with ruminants is that they produce methane and not CO2 which is 25 times worse? A cow takes carbon from the ground and the bacteria creates a 25 times more potent GHG. But you are right that creating new fields and tiling the soil is a huge factor.

    IPCC on methan

    • What's something that's viewed as socially acceptable today that you think will become unacceptable 20 years from now?

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  • In 100 years?

     
            Eating meat
    Natural gas stoves
    Oil/Natural gas furnaces

    This sounds like a solid +6°C plan if it takes 100 years

    • But I love death

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  • Ah shit r/antivegan is leaking.

    I thought you follow logic but you are just concern trolling. If you would care about other countries, other people and animals and have some sense of biology you would look at the rain forests and see that they are burnt down for your food. Animal food industry is a wasteful business that is unsustainable. You profit from the systematic exploitation of workers and animals. I am really convinced that I am right because it like thermodynamics, you are the on dreaming of manure being a magic sludge that just produces nutrients from thin air.

    (8th most deadly, but who is counting? :) ).

    With that ":)" You have disqualified yourself to be taken seriously while the meat industry has the highest suicide rate everywhere in the world. You don't even care about humans. Tractors which are used mainly for animal feed. I have proven your numbers wrong with a easy to read source.

    frozen tofu my ass. All animal products need a cooled delivery chain, my tofu is from beans grown near me. You just try to make up bullshit to convince your sorry ass you are doing the right thing. All fake news and "they" lie all to you.

    Beefcentral if you like that source more: https://www.beefcentral.com/news/ipcc-report-recommends-eating-more-plant-based-protein/

    You are just a fact denier at that point, and a lire if you say you fight for animal rights.