Vaccine research vs. anti-vax research
Shake747 @ Shake747 @lemmy.dbzer0.com Posts 0Comments 163Joined 2 yr. ago
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No it's not. Here's an instance where vaccines helped spread polio:
The mRNA vaccines were different than this though (not using a live virus), but mRNA is a newer method that hasn't had the same level of testing as other vaccines. Probably good to take some precautions, especially when the virus in question (covid) has a 99% survival rate
I'm not in the US - but also thank you for responding without malice.
Losing income is a big deal, especially with dependants, but that aside - you're right about your point of possibly endangering others.
However If the vaccine fully protected you (as it was advertised at first) this wouldn't be the case - anyone who was vaxxed would've been immune. Also having natural immunity is just as good, if not better - but instead of doing any sort of antibody testing, we stuck with "be vaccinated or lose your job". Wouldn't anti body testing instead of mandates be the pinnacle of making sure those around you are safe? Especially at a time when we didn't know the risks or effectiveness of the vaccine.
Can you elaborate?
I'm just not sure how we can know long term effects without creating a time machine to go forward
I'd like to say thank you for being civil and having an actual discussion lol.
Here's a study that came out in Feb 2023 looking at vaccinated protection vs natural immunity -
Study: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)02465-5/fulltext
The article does promote taking the vaccine as the safer route - which is agreeable if you have co-morbidities. But long term effects of either will only be shown over time, we still need more of that
The choice was lose your income, travel no where, and gather with zero loved ones - or take this vaccine we just came out with, but havent finished testing lol.
It's kind of funny that I've been pretty civil despite all the name calling, and you're the one blocking me.
Lol, you need time to know long term effects, there still hasn't been enough of that yet.
And yes, a mandate has as much weight as a law, it just depends who issued it. The only really difference in mandate vs law is how it's initiated, but here, they hold the same weight.
I won't be deleting lemmy :)
Having recovered from COVID while following quarantine procedures is just as good as having the vax - if not better. No?
If the government mandates something, it has the same weight as a law.
Those orgs that don't require it anymore, didn't drop it because "most people aren't this type of moron and just got the fucking vaccine"
It was because we had more data, and you have to weigh the risks.
It's still hard to say what the long term effects of either vaxxed or un-vaxxed will be
Why do you think all of those places repealed their mandates?
Was it because not having the vaccine killed people?
Airplanes, trains, boats, gov employees, public service workers, private corp employees (based on gov advice - mostly office workers and sports players), all forms of healthcare workers, schools, immigrants, and military to name a few.
But most of it has been repealed now thankfully
Well the top picture clearly doesn't represent the 3rd phase of trials, as there wasn't one when the COVID vaccine was mandated lol
You're playing semantics and missing the point, but whatever, let's play.
There's a good chance the victim has a friend or someone they trust that could drive. In your world, they still have to wait for the fucking bus or at a sketchy train station at 2am - both on a public schedule that everyone's aware of, including the abuser.
What about my not ambulance worthy scenario? Again are they just going to stand on the train with a broken foot? Otherwise yes, ambulances can run into congestion which isn't great, but more that's more of an engineering issue.
I've slept in my car, even with houses for rent and homeless shelters I could've stayed at (they sound better on paper than they are in person).
For those "special trips" I use it a lot more than twice a year lol. I should also mention my vehicle is a cheap POS so I'm not driving some fancy ass truck around. I'm also willing to pay more for the convenience of not having to go to a rental store every time, while having to lug equipment around. Rental stores are lump summed too, at least in ownership I can spread the cost out to maintain some cash flow
Lol man, if oil was shut down tomorrow so would the super markets. They'd have stock for like 2 days before there isn't a super market to walk to anymore
Thank you for enlightening me on the Social Credit Score, it's good to know it's only court ordered in cases where people aren't allowed to take the train or fly. That's still not great though. I work under some (overly nepotistic) execs for a corp and they use similar vague style tactics. It's honestly both a weapon and a shield that leaves the players powerless and the game masters with too much control. I wouldn't want a country run this way.
I also think of people like Xu Xiaodong who had his score reduced to "D" until he paid $40,000USD for calling a fake martial artist a fraud ಠ_ಠ. The courts in China are another discussion though. I'm just saying there is too much room for weaponization in scenarios like this. If it can be exploited, it will.
The missing middle housing stuff does look interesting, and I see your point with it. If it doesn't impede peoples sunlight or take away yards/gardens while mixing buildings like that, it might be a good solution that we could agree on.
My mention of Shanghai was how they have a horrible ruling class, that has implemented a Social Credit Score. Do or say something they don't like? No more taking the train out of the city. People become bound to the zone they are designated. Sounds a little dystopian no?
The large single houses thing is not true either, I live in Canada and my neighborhood has big corps sweeping through buying properties and building cookie cutter condos in place of the houses. Many don't even have parking
I go camping to random remote locations throughout the summer, sometimes you have to drive to find spots because they aren't really advertised online.
What about construction people? Do they need to rent a truck every time they have to drive to a job?
Right, the road won't be so congested, but you have to run on a specific schedule and only go to specific places.
You have to pay for all of this somehow too, be it through fares at a toll or taxed by your gov. It won't be any cheaper running transit. Maybe even more expensive, because they still have to maintain the roads, but now the cost of vehicle repair is on the gov/Corp and not the individual. More tolls or more taxes.
I'm concerned we'll all be stuffed into little apartments, with "everything we need" in a 500m radius. That's going to be a disaster if the wrong people get into power. There's a reason the Canadian Charter of Rights includes "free movement".
Shanghai China is the usual example here.
How does it impede on those who can't drive? Because they're not allowed to move as freely as someone with a car? How would taking away everyone's car help that scenario?
They're not new? Could you show me what other human vaccines we've made and deployed that use this tech?
Changing the disease it's targeting changes the structures of the proteins that are created from the mRNA vaccine, and will change how your body responds to it (with each body reacting a bit differently) - so each time will warrant testing (ideally) before release to the public, especially before mandates are imposed