Shake747 @ Shake747 @lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Most things aren't created out of malice, like the 15 min city idea. Communism was created in the same light, people trying to come up with a better system.

If we don't do these kinds of things very carefully though, it will be exploited. Obviously death threats aren't the answer, but there is legit cause for concern here

What? Can you elaborate on how roads impose restricted movement on everyone?

Would those 18 countries be considered "first world"? Car manufacturers don't have the capacity to make a different vehicle for every country, it's operated more by continents with a couple exceptions. So a few large economies kind of get to decide for everyone.

Our older vehicles often end up in poorer countries. I'd actually never thought about this implication before, but those poorer countries will struggle to get any electric infrastructure up and might be worse off. Hopefully not.

The 15 min city idea doesn't have good publicity, especially when you see Shanghai attempting it with their social credit system.

Ultimately, we need a way to regulate the regulators, without restricting peoples movement or current freedoms. I think we both agree on this. I'm all for a greener, less congested cities if it can be done, but it needs to be a careful transition period with intensive, neutral, and transparent planning so we don't end up with tyrants running the show. I still don't think cars are the enemy here though.

Yeah agreed, I'm all for getting rid of them too. Restricting peoples movement isn't the answer though

This ideology could be astroturfed fossil fuel propaganda, but electric cars are being mandated in most countries. Fossil fuel corps won't hold on to a battle they're already losing.

The 15 min city "conspiracy theory" comes from people not wanting government over reach, especially since these govs are considering centralized digital currencies. This needs to be addressed.

Otherwise we're going to trade one dystopia for another.

I'll relieve you of this debate so you can return to your regularly scheduled echo chamber time. Sorry to disturb.

Right, leave it to our very efficient and trustworthy governments to create non restrictive 15 min cities that everyone will enjoy lol. What could go wrong?

The solution to car dependence is to depend on another corporation gate keeping the cars?

Help me unsee the irony here

Yeah but all taxis look the same, most have a monopoly or at best an oligopoly in major cities. Doesn't that "rob us of our individualism?" and ability to break free of massive corporations/governments?

Why rely on yet another corporation for a car when I can just use my own at any time on a whim?

Fair point about Apple. They did also remove the home button and optimized their display further to accommodate that though.

If only it wasn't so proprietary, I could get on the apple train. Still mad about my headphones jacks though.

You're right, when I left that comment I hadn't watched the video. Now that I have, I feel like I'm covered in awkward teenage angst.

The video gives examples of "look at these cities with thousands of years of culture compared to cities in North America."

And doesn't highlight any of the benefits cars bring. Heres some arbitrary arguments (to keep in the style of the video):

Person needs to do a midnight move from an abusive situation, but can't because they have to wait for the bus/train and can only carry on a few belongings.

Person needs medical care, not ambulance worthy, but can't stand on a train for an hour.

Hit rock bottom and lost your shelter? You can sleep in your car. It's way better than a train station.

Want to go camping/hike/climb anywhere? Public transit can't accommodate everyone's schedule/place to be.

Agree though, we need a better solution for parking.

You must live in a city if you feel that way

Where's our different radios and other things? They just keep adding more camera lenses, and MORE MEGAPIXELS.

Nothing innovative or useful, and now we're forced to buy more shit (adapters) to make other things we already have, work with our phones.

I'll stick with my "mid grade" phone that does all of the same things, but also connects to 3.5mm

PS. This mid grade phone also has USB C if I really wanted a custom DAC, and alternatively I can also charge and listen to things at the same time, with no extra cost

I've refused to buy these "flagship" phones that don't have a headphone jack. The 90s kid in me will live on, damnit!

Why is RFK jr. bad?

Looking at your country, he seems like a much better option than Biden, Trump, or Desantis.

Who else would you pick?

Hah "military cult empire" - that's a great name for the people/parties you're referring to.

The UK's labour party did all of that reforming in the mid nineties though, but I see what you're trying to get at with the coup's and neoliberal economic movements.

I'd really like to see what you described (the definition you gave for actually being "left") - in action. Unfortunately, democracies are inherently not very secure (tech may be able to solve some of this), because of other countries and bad actors. Open borders would make this even harder.

Would there even be a government in this situation? Or would this be more akin to a socialist technocracy?

Do you have any examples of any that have done it yet? Without centralizing any sort of power?

If Democrats and the Labour party (socialist democrat) aren't left, then what is?

Fair enough, it's not an issue if you think blanket statements are good enough to be deal breakers.

I just hope that kind of black and white way of thinking doesn't lead to any resentment, and leaves room for individualism.

-5 eyes was started in 1946 by democrats

-im not sure what you're talking about with the cameras, but look at the UK, that surveillance state was started with 5 eyes (the "labour party")

-if money is the topic, the left wants to create a centralized digital currency to do exactly what you're talking about with credit cards

-censorious police state "stuff" happened during covid, perpetuated by the left

Remember net neutrality?

I'd like to point out though, that the right doesn't make great strides either, but I don't need to give examples of that to people in this thread.

A 2 party system is hot garbage, and it's about being as divisive as possible to pump up your side.

It's like a Coke vs Pepsi advertising war

Of course everyone deserve equal rights, and yes, the social programs could be infinitely better if we put even more resources towards them.

However, with recent internet restrictions, censorship, and identity politics, we're also actively being harmed by the left.

That doesn't mean what the people on the right are doing is any good either, I'm just saying it's not good to lump everyone into these black and white categories. It creates the weird tribalism we see here.