Shake747 @ Shake747 @lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Here it is from the Gov of Canada. The Canadian side of the stats in that article are correct.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/publications/health-system-services/annual-report-medical-assistance-dying-2021.html#table_3.1

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canadians-adopting-assisted-death-22-times-more-than-americans

"In Canada, which has a smaller population than California, physicians or nurse practitioners directly ended the lives of 31,664 people between 2016 and 2021. That compares to just 3,344 in California."

This is an opinion piece article and I'm not sure where they're pulling numbers (I only had time to skim through it)

But if true, let's add a loose and relatively subjective term like "addiction" to the legislation and these numbers will go up.

Maybe this is how the government was planning to tackle the housing problem lol

Yeah, it's fucked up. It's being presented under the guise of equality too lol

Ohhh I gotcha, I stand corrected - especially because I'm not willing to look for the tweet myself lol

I thought the same but I looked again and it's in there lol, about 9th or 10th paragraph from the bottom of the article (before the "more shit you might like" section).

It doesn't even seem like it was even taken out of context from the article lol.

"We ju$t care $o much about connecting all the gamer$$$ around the world." - giant soulless corporation

Kind of wild you got down voted for showing people credible sources that raise concern. I don't think they want to hear it and I'm not sure why

You asked me what source I need to want full trials for a vaccine. You have the wit of a teenager.

mRNA hasn't been used in a vaccine like this before.

30 years in the scheme of things is still absolutely nothing. We had lead in our gasoline and our drinking water pipes for decades without anyone actually understanding the issue, and just trusting "it's all safe!"

Virus comes out and we pump out a fully produced vaccine in MONTHS. Of course it's safe and tested fully /s

Right because injections and washing your hands are comparable.

The "source that told me" was a bit of critical thought and common sense. This was a vaccine with tech we've never used on massive populations before, pushed by political leaders, followed by media outlets and gov leaders trying to paint everyone who questions it as if they're the worst people humanity has to offer. Ofc we need extensive trials for a vaccine like that (or any vaccine), especially when the producers of the vaccine are immune from liability.

Do you remember what informed consent is? If you're injecting stuff into you, without fully understanding what either the virus itself can do, or what the vaccine can do, you're just blindly following people.

It's this same mentality and confusion that lead to our current opioid pandemic. Blind trust in our institutions and leaders

You're going to get covid. Vaccine or not.

Get the vaccine if you're elderly or have underlying risks, otherwise doing 3 shots a year to stay up to date doesn't look very beneficial anymore.

We didn't know how ineffective the vaccine was in the beginning, but our leaders still said things like "This will protect you. Fully. Everyone needs to have it". I'll provide links if you didn't see any of that going on.

It was a lot more political than it was scientific, which is a huge red flag.

There obviously isn't one, that's part of weighing the risks - which we didn't have enough time or data to do for covid and it's vaccines. Part of the whole informed consent thing.

Thankfully we can all now choose, and see better data

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/natural-immunity-protective-covid-vaccine-severe-illness-rcna71027

The worst symptoms are death. I see your point about extending the metrics, and maybe I should consider more than just dying, but I think it's a strong factor in why this whole thing seems over blown in the way mandates and restrictions came.

For polio, it was about stopping death, paralysis is a death sentence in most places in the world.

Lol you mean the one they took off of the shelves because of blood clots? From a lack of testing?

I said "especially with new tech". Still need to test the waters with the old one clearly.

Especially if we're going to use a tech in a vaccine that we've never used on large amounts of people before

For a pandemic with a really high survival rate? Like a 99% survival rate?

5-10 years makes sense to me

If the survival rate was different, my answers here would be different

Then be more accurate. Provide some sources for the misinformation you're spouting.

Just out of curiosity, are the people who're entering your hospice from covid vaccinated against it too? It's not easy to discern if it's the virus or the vax if they've had both - and the reporting on it seems shoddy. It's possible that both can cause issues as well.

Anecdotally, regarding your coworker, I've found it around me too that it's some of the most athletic people had the worst time with COVID (not counting elderly or people with co-morbidities). For the people I know personally, they aren't sure if it was from COVID or the vaccine though, as they'd been vaxxed about a month prior to contracting COVID so it's hard to tell. That also speaks a bit to as to how well the vaccine worked lol.

Let me know what you think of that study when you get some time

I truly hope you're right!

From what I understand, you're correct that the spike protein is what caused the issues, usually to people's hearts if they had an adverse event. The mRNA part is what instructs your cells to produce those spike proteins, which your immune system's antibody's should bond to in a similar way that it would with the corona virus

I wouldn't say they're "low on the totem pole", they're supposed to be one of the most strictly regulated medical products. In part because vaccine producers can't be held liable for anything - so extensive testing and review is needed.

That industry isn't just peanuts either, it's one of the largest industries in the world.

2.5 years is abnormal (and testing hadn't finished when everything started becoming mandated). The global population was the test lol.

Google how long all the other vaccines we have took to get approval, ~10 years seems pretty normal, maybe not in your country though. Hopefully it never comes to this again

Yes, I've heard of long covid. But it might as well be named "mid term COVID" as it applies typically applies to anyone who continues to see symptoms past the 3-8 month mark (this varies from study to study).

The vaccine doesn't prevent this either though, but does seem reduce the likelihood, slightly.

We still don't know what's going to happen in the next 5+ years to come (with covid or the vax). These things can take a while to manifest sometimes, which is partly why vaccine testing is usually so extensively long, like 5-10 years (just not in this case for some reason).