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Why would they care? They're making millions of dollars off "armed leftists" who aren't the slightest threat to them.

They put $16 million of those profits each year into the pockets of the most far-right Republicans running.

The far-right shitheads you're enabling go on monthly killing sprees targeting minorities. Meanwhile, whats your Nazi body count? Zero?

Do you need some names and addresses? I can hook you up. I'm talking swastika tattoo, mask off, proud boys.

Face it, everything you're doing is working out great for fascists. You couldn't have been more help if you joined them.

But it's all worth it right, because now the trans community is... oh, much less safe and accepted than they would be in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK and most of Europe.

You made it clear "the poors" were nothing but a prop when you rushed to justify a for-profit firearms industry.

If guns make neighbourhoods safer, why isn't America the safest country in the world by a huge margin?

The Black Panthers warned you. The coal miners of West Virginia warned you. The Native Americans warned you. The lynched black men warned you. Entire black neighborhoods bombed, burned, slaughtered, buried, and forgotten -- even in the hearts of Tulsa and New York City -- all warned you. The LGBT community warned you.

Love the flowery rhetoric but if guns solved these problems, why aren't they solved? Why are they worse in America than other comparatively wealthy countries?

Here you are once again promising that guns are the solution to violence and oppression by listing all the times they haven't worked.

Leftists fought and died for every right you hold today. We will do it again if we have to

Sounds like it should be easy to list examples then. What rights have extremely permissive gun laws given me that people in other wealthy countries don't have?

We don't pretend to be heroes

Pretend is literally all you do.

When it's done, you'll forget all our names too, ignore our victories and losses, and claim all the credit

Oh yeah what kind of complete scumbag would take the credit for other peoples bravery and sacrifices? Certainly not you, as you use the word "we" repeatedly while claiming you're responsible for every right I have.

Remind us all again, what did you do specifically and how was it only possible by selling guns to people who hit their wives? What was your role in the Black Panthers? What battles were you at during the civil war?

and y'all do f*ck-all about it.

You've shot nobody. You may as well pretend you're a hero for buying an iPhone because it could theoretically be used to form a resistance movement.

Isn't it funny that for all your self-aggrandizement, I could name 100 fascists and 1000 ways they've grabbed power yet not a single time you and your guns have stopped them.

Yet you think those of us who actually care should be disarmed

You seem to be confused.

I think that deeply unstable people, racist extremists, idiots and domestic abusers should be disarmed. I just don't care if proving you're not one of those things makes your hobby inconvenient.

You think they should all be armed indiscriminately because one day you're going to use those same laws to shoot your way to a solution.

But you won't.

Because gun lobby catch phrases don't make you a revolutionary.

And what is that difference?

So what is your tantrum about? The things have a cost that is now higher.

I genuinely can't figure out what you were expecting with that argument. Do you think guns are sold for the cost of materials and labor?

Oh shit they made school shootings legal if you have a permit? Missed that update

They may as well given the disgustingly low bar you set for gun owners.

The laws the pro-gun community holds up as ideal couldn't prevent the sale of a gun to a teenager with the nickname "school shooter" and a history of animal abuse, death and rape threats, days before he did a school shooting.

If you're going to staunchly oppose gun control, why not just come out and say that you support selling semi-automatic weapons to far-right extremists, deeply disturbed men in the throes of psychosis, people who hit their partners and people who can't secure their firearms from children?

Your rights end where another's begin, you are not entitled to another's body or life

I think you mean that other people's rights end where yours begin.

After all, you have no problem bankrolling the gun-lobby who in turn fund the Republicans that openly campaign on a platform of taking away the rights of women and minorities.

Does a child have a right to safety and education? Only at the discretion of whatever insane fuckstick you've armed today because your guns are more important that someone else's children.

I actually have the right to shoot the rapist or racist murderer.

And those rapists and murderers have the right to own guns because you insisted on it. Should we look at their statistics to see how that works out for everyone?

Oh what a shocking plot twist, it works out great for your as you sit there delivering on fuck all of your promises and it works out great for the rapists and racists.

Your right come at the expense of others and you're not even good at hiding it.

Spare me the feigned alliance. You're rushing to defend the gun lobby, not the trans community.

You've had 30 years for your lies to come true. I'm not giving you any more.

If they see you with a firearm, it will be all these excuse they need.

Don't fall for the pro-gun bullshit. Equal access to firearms means nothing because violence always favors the biggest asshole.

It's so strange that you think armed leftists have anything in common with your fairly accurate image of right wing chuds

Sure they do -- their opinions came out of the same sleazy boardrooms dedicated to maximising profits. They just replaced the conservative shit like "god" and "nuclear family" with "minorities" and you lapped it up just as eagerly.

It is not the job of armed leftists to shield you from nazis. That job is for you and your mighty pens. Great job on that, by the way.

Good to hear you admitting you're going to do fuck all except push hollow rhetoric.

But hey if you want me and my pen to stop the Nazis firing semi-automatic rifles into crowds of innocent people, we're happy to write up the new gun laws to prevent it.

At the very least, you could stop bankrolling the pro-gun lobby and their army of lawyers. Maybe you could skip the middleman and just donate $16 million a year directly to Republicans?

None of us have ever claimed to be heroes who are gonna kill all the Nazis with our big bad guns. Self defense is not an offensive act.

A comment that doesn't even hold true in this single comment section, let alone the rolling plains of AstroTurf that "leftist gun owners" call home.

No armed leftist has ever advocated for untrained irresponsible gun ownership.

I started to reply to this but then I realized just how fucking slimey it is. You've carefully positioned yourself to claim "even though we demand that training and responsibility remain entirely optional, a true leftist advocates gun safety".

Presumably by tutting at people on the internet.

Thanks for sharing your little hero fantasy with us but you and your guns have done absolutely fuck all to shield anyone from Nazis.

But at that point you can feel free to stop pretending you own the high road

Sounds like the day you've lost the high road, not me. You were going to shoot all the Nazis dead with your cool guns remember? Now they're marching people off to camps.

It's such a difficult line of bullshit to work with isn't it? You need to proclaim the Nazis are coming, and that only guns can stop them, but they can't stop you with their guns, that they purchased from the same store, under the same gun-lobby authored laws.

And stop telling those of us who would fight back effectively that we have no such right.

Oh you're going to "fight back effectively" are you? So share with us all what your skills are. We don't know for certain they include "able to safely possess a competently use a firearm" because they're pro-gun community insist that shouldn't be a requirement.

Tell us all about the soldier these dead kids have bought us. Do you have any skills besides "gun"? Any military training? Can you set up a secure communication network? Are you able to administer basic first aid? Can you fly a drone? Fuck, tell us what you weigh.

Convince us that the fattest, shittest, most entitled army the world has ever seen is going to keep us safe from the people they almost certainly voted for.

But how will militias hunt escaped slaves without the second amendment?

"It's the black peoples fault".

Half the American women murdered in their last decade were killed by their partner, but there's no "funding and diversion efforts" for white guys who can't control their emotions.

But after that you can use that speech to kill a room full of children or a fleeing partner right?

I'm just going to come out and say it: Fuck your gun "rights". I absolutely support it being taken away from you. It's just as immoral as the right to own slaves was.

You're hiding behind the word "right" because you know the only way to defend permissive gun laws is pretending that domestic abusers having poorly secured AR-15s is up there with "bodily autonomy" or "freedom of beliefs".

Would you be playing your little "only bad guys take away rights" games if people had the "right" to help themselves to your daughters body? To kill you on a whim because of your skin color?

After all, anything you call a "right" is inherently good and ethical and to be preserved at all costs.

Oh damn you have to show basic competence with a deadly weapon before you're allowed to take it home and cuddle it? What an authoritarian hellscape.

If "performative theatre" upsets you, then the pro-gun side is not for you.

They crow about "keeping their family safe" but droves of children are blowing their brains out with their dads guns or dying screaming on their classroom floor.

They promise all the gun violence will be worth it because they'll keep us safe from tyranny but they enthusiastically vote for authoritarian, far-right candidates running on a platform of "we will take away the rights of women and minorities".

They promise they're "responsible gun owners", then staunchly oppose any measure that makes that responsibility a requirement, not a completely voluntary pinkie promise.

Don't be a sucker. If dogshit gun laws made minorities safer, America would be the safest country in the world by a massive margin.

Surely that genius plan won't ever backfire.

And the current gun laws haven't backfired? The country is a fucking mess and none of the pro-gun promises have come true.

Authoritarians have never been more powerful and the guns have done nothing to stop them. The most effective way to keep your family safe is to just move to a wealthy country that doesn't routinely arm domestic abusers, extremists and the deeply mentally ill with the weapons they need to quickly and efficiently kill anyone they want.

You're not a champion of peoples rights, you're a simp for the gun lobby with delusions of grandeur.

Nazis that have all the guns they could ever want and routinely go on killing sprees with them.

So what exactly is the argument? That maybe one day, the gun laws that armed Nazis might disarm Nazis, even though they'he completely failed to for their last 5 years?

Stop falling for bullshit gun-lobby marketing.