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The problem is that by the time they build it half of Gaza will be dead. This isn't like the Bengali famine or the Holodomor where food just went down, these people aren't getting food at all. I think it should be obvious that the progress from infants to adults dying will be a lot faster.

I very much don't think anybody will be shooting the people giving them food. I know Western people think of Hamas as like ISIS and Al Qaeda (both of which I would also assume wouldn't do this but for argument's sake), but their ideologies are too different.

Biden be like: What's wrong with torture we do it all the time.

Uh... Nobody is falling for your nonsense, but just in case: People don't usually post caricatures of people they agree with.

It's a distraction from the US's complicity.

Uh... People are dying now. Now it's infants and children, soon it'll be more children (the infants will've all died) and old people, then the adults will be next. And we're talking actual starvation; people have been dying of malnutrition-induced illness for some time now. By the time those "couple of weeks" pass half of Gaza will be dead.

He's not doing anything though. The air drops are literally useless (some of the meals were even expired), and the port is gonna take two months, which is too late to save anyone unless aid arrives by truck. If he really wants to do anything he could just force Netanyahu to allow in aid.

There actually is. Probably why they're doing it.

They've been at work suppressing dissent since October 7th. Truly the work of democracies.

Gazans are already chronically malnourished, though, not obese. And some parts of Gaza have been under occupation for months. Babies are already dying and soon children, then adults will follow.

Setting aside the US's history of installing those leaders, who cares if that's what the people want?

Zionists, Israelis and Jews aren't (and shouldn't be treated as) the same group, though. I mean there are ignorant people who don't understand the difference, but ignorant people are gonna be ignorant either way.

Okay most of us here want the hostages to be released, but an immediate and unconditional release of the hostages is basically a carte blanche for their genocide. The lesser evil should be clear here.

When you see nonsense like that remember that they're talking about a temporary ceasefire. Even if Israel wanted that (they don't) Hamas has every right to refuse after they handed over half the hostages and the genocide continued a week later.

Oh I see. Then let me change my stance a bit:

Haiti gained independence through a slave uprising. It makes sense that they would start off poor, but it's deliberate Western interference that kept them down. Now it can be argued that this is so long ago it shouldn't matter anymore, but these things are very much subject to the butterfly effect. Poverty generates poverty and the country was directly robbed of the ability to improve for 122 years, and faced with decolonization that left them with a power vacuum and political instability. And it's not like US intervention stopped then. The US and France are about 80% responsible for Haiti's modern situation; not to say they'd have necessarily been a developed country but they wouldn't be this bad.

Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not saying decolonization is a bad thing, but decolonization without care for the colony's post-decolonization government is setting it up for failure. See: Botswana, whose modern prosperity is a direct result of not having to deal with this.

I mean yes but dictatorships are very subject to the butterfly effect. Even a temporary regime change can keep a country down for decades.

I'm talking about this guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004Haitiancoupd%27%C3%A9tat

yet another attempt by the US to establish an Arab democracy over all the other Arab states doing everything possible to sabotage the effort to avoid such notions spreading to their borders as well.

Okay I'm not a fan of the modern Arab states but if you think US attempts to establish "Democracy" in the Middle Easts were anything more than fools errands doomed to failure you have some history to read.

That would be much more compelling, except for the fact that Haiti was poor and unstable even before France imposed the debt,

Haiti didn't exist before France's debt AFAIK.

Given the US removed a democratically elected president in 2004, not entirely wrong.