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I was gonna say that's impossible, then remembered USS Liberty.

At that point there won't be a Gaza.

I think so.

I mean I don't agree with him but he is sticking to his beliefs here. Something something turn the other cheek.

It's a decision made for practical reasons, much like the PLO switching from armed to peaceful resistance and the Palestinian resistance movement as a whole switching from taking back all of Palestine to returning to 1967 borders. Hamas ideologically rejects Israel (for good reason) so they're not willing to recognize it, but denying the position they're in won't accomplish anything, hence their current position. You can think of them as a more self-aware IRA.

See also: The PLO taking back their recognition of Israel during the second Intifada despite not changing their goal of a two-state solution.

This has the same energy as destroying confederate general statues. Good on them.

This guy's paintings have about as much historical value as Hitler pictures and confederate general statues.

Hamas doesn't recognize Israel, but has stated they'd accept a two-state solution with 1967 borders multiple times.

Not a bad idea this is what the IDF should be doing.

It's called a terrorist organization according to the US and its allies. Now they're not good, more like morally grey, but they're not any worse than the IDF. Also given that Hamas has agreed to a two-state solution before, I'm not sure what beliefs you're objecting to Palestinians having.

Uh... A good number of Americans give two or three flying fucks about genocide. Israel is getting off lightly because they can call anyone who opposes them antisemitic, but historically ever since they finished their own Americans have been pretty intolerant of genocide. This especially applies to Muslim Americans who are taking this personally, and young progressives who are becoming disillusioned with the Democrats. Now remember that Biden needs both of these groups to have 2020 level Democrat turnout to win the election.

The Houthis only killed two civilian sailors since this whole mess started, which is two too many tbf but it's not like they're actively going over civilians here.

How does that have anything to do the current crisis? Also the whole "we don't negotiate with terrorists" thing is basically propaganda meant to make the US look good rather than an actual successful political strategy, setting aside the idea of who is and isn't a terrorist given that it seems to be "does the US like them? Yes/no". I'd sooner call Saudi Arabia, their puppet government and the US terrorists for their genocide from 2016 to 2022 among other things; there's a reason the US bombing weddings is a meme.

Also I'm not sure which part of the file you want me to read; I searched "war crimes" and didn't get anything.

Is nobody going to mention how refusing a temporary ceasefire (aka being genocided again after 6 weeks) is apparently "hardline"?

Only if Netanyahu and his ilk go with them.

To be "fair" Hamas is a grassroots organization. It exists because there's popular will for it to exist, not because of one person or a few people. This does mean the Israeli Orphanization force is doing anything to curb Hamas, but it's not like Hamas needs its leaders to exist.

Nah, better to just stop the genocide. Avoiding the Red Sea is a very expensive ordeal since it necessitates going around Africa.

Nope, but Palestine is literally next door. Western people might not understand this, but people in the Middle East care a lot about the Israeli occupation and its injustice against Palestinians. They're regularly referred to as "our Palestinian brothers" for example, while Ukraine is a country most people here only know by name.

And that Palestine is literally next door. It might be considered yet another genocide in the West, but people care much more in the Middle East. There's a lot of popular will to do anything to fight Israel (the reason nobody's going to war over this is the aircraft carriers and other US pressure), geopolitics or no geopolitics.

Yes, yet Israel is currently suffering hard due to the Houthis' actions. Seems effective.