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Sounds like a very... inefficient way of speaking, but who am I to judge?

I read "finish up" as in "kill them all" not "stop".

Wjy not China? Does it embarrass the US? Sure, even Russia who would LOVE to snipe a US ally.

Because they want the Middle East on their side. They've been posturing that way for a while now. Israel is inherently a regional pariah state and that's not changing anytime soon., so I don't see China making that decision. It works for the US because it has both "needs" for hard power projection in the region and frankly ridiculous amounts of soft power, but China lacks both of these things.

Edit: Russia is impossible because they don't have the soft power necessary to keep Iran satiated (I think at this point it's impossible even for the US, but for Russia doubly so) if they make such a step. At least personally, even from a geopolitical perspective if I had to choose between Iran and Israel I'd choose Iran, for a lot of reasons.

Ramping pressure over time is/was the best available strategy.

I don't see it working. Pressure only matters when there's real leverage at play, otherwise you get the current mess.

Iran and Israel can not be maintained in the same sphere of influence without copious amounts of hard and soft power that only the US and maybe China possess. So the Russia route is out unless they wanna lose Iran and they probably don't want that. China is more viable, but the thing is: China wants the Middle East on its side. They've been posturing for that for a while now. Taking in Israel would destroy all that in a second.

It just leaves a geopolitical power vacuum into which another opportunistic state would step in and supply them with some equally deadly munitions and financial guarantees.

Who? Russia who is buying weapons from North Korea? China who's trying to win over the Middle East? This is a needlessly pessimistic assumption.

The upside–if the article is to believed–is that her opinion is not shared by the majority in Israel.

Maybe in the sense that she acknowledges that what she's doing is ethnic cleansing, but the idea that "God's chosen people" have the right to steal the subhuman Arabs' land and kill them is very much a common idea, as seen from the amount of right wing voters in Israel.

Nobody is saying JPost is lying about this. They're saying that the conclusion they reach (that Hamas and Al-Jazeera lied and Al-Jazeera is a Qatari mouthpiece) is disingenuous as fuck.

We'll drown Gaza in food

Some Israeli or the other. Now someone calculate the caloric value of a 2000 pound bomb.

I see what you mean, but settlers aren't really extremists in Israel. Over there "All of Judea belongs to us, the chosen people, so we have the right to chase out and murder the subhuman Arabs" is a pretty common idea.

I was mostly thinking of how in their attempt to be not antisemitic they're actually implementing Nazi-like policies (in support of a Nazi regime no less). Not saying it's on the same scale as actual Nazi Germany, but I saw this article (and @febra talking about their experiences) and there's a definite resemblance here.

This is kind of ironic in a sad way.

I feel like this “the far right is rising” narrative is an attempt by the neo liberal establishment to trick class focused leftist into supporting the status quo as a bulwark against a far right rise.

I see what you mean but it's less a trick and more making use of a convenient situation. The far right is rising, and dragging the rest of the US with them. Also the odds are definitely not stacked against them, especially with Biden (aka Genocide Joe) as the Democrat candidate.

They haven't, but we're not talking about now. We're talking about later when this mess dies down. The hostages are likely to make a difference in Gaza's post-war fate. And given the stakes (Israel has been pretty clear they want to re"settle" Gaza) I'd say while the hostages are victims and deserve better we can't blame Hamas for holding onto them.

Edit: The hostages are also likely to be involved in things like how much food and other goods Gazans are allowed through the blockade, trying to get Israel to not do random airstrikes and other such things.

Uh... No. The genocide matters a lot. Maybe not to all the population, but to certain segments (mainly Muslims and young progressives) who are key for Biden's reelection. "People in real life" depends a lot on who you interact with, but the fact that there is a large number of potential voters who will sit out the election because of Gaza is undeniable.

Edit: Also Israel had tight control over Western public opinion so they've managed to avoid scrutiny for a long time, but there's a decent amount of historical precedent for American people being very not okay with genocide (other than their own, anyway) and that affecting the country's foreign policy.

Israel the modern state shouldn't exist, not at all. It's an Apartheid settler colonialist state and much more of a terrorist organization than Hamas. Now whether Palestine should be partitioned with one part given to Jews that's a different debate, but even then that should be a new state built from the ground up with an actually fair constitution and international supervision. I say even then because I believe one democratic state is a lot better than two states that are likely to go to war with each other and much more liable to become Apartheid states.

I think "the world" here means world governments.

Until Israel is forced to follow the UN’s original intention and Hamas is completely dismantled, there will be no peace in the ME.

Why is only one of these getting dismantled?