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I literally acknowledged that a stronger Iran is bad for Iranians, But on the other hand you look the US's nonsense in Yemen and Palestine and the idea that weaker Iran = good for the region loses a lot of merit. Also America has supported two genocides over the course of less than 10 years, so yes America bad,

I'm not holding my breath, but do they have any justification for this? Was the ship going to Israel or something?

Honestly no. A weaker Iran is good for Iranians, but bad for the region as a whole. The US can't be allowed to run rampant (more than they already are, anyway).

I don't think Hamas is an asset to Israel. In the 90s, maybe 00s sure, but that hasn't been the case for a good while. Hamas and other Palestinian armed resistance are the reason Israel keeps losing international support. It's more obvious now, but this has been the case for a while now; the scale of destruction Israel causes in Gaza inevitably makes the news, and every time that happens Israel loses just a little bit of popular support in the West. The state of support for Israel we're seeing now isn't just because of the unprecedented scale of Israel's atrocities, but also because even on October 7th there was a significant number of people who knew that Israel is up to no good due to their repeated "escapades" in Gaza. This is why organizations like Amnesty International consider Israel an Apartheid state.

Meanwhile look at the West Bank; they're ruled under brutal military law, held up in checkpoints and subjected to horrific levels of abuse and humiliation (including being forced to strip naked so they be "examined"), are repeatedly attacked by the IDF for reason or no reason and to top it off they're being driven from their homes every day, but how often do they make the news? Even now the situation in the West Bank is being reported on as an accessory to the Gaza "war".

What I wanna say is: Hamas is a very big part of the reason Israel is losing international support, and since international support is their lifeline this is really bad for them. If Hamas and other such organizations didn't exist and Gaza was like the West Bank the Palestinian cause would be in a much worse place now (though whether that's worth the lives being lost is another story).

Oh that's fair, then let me rephrase: This is an American (or maybe Western as a whole) issue, not something inherent the idea to religious schools themselves. At least as an Egyptian I've never heard of anything like this.

I mean you'd expect Muslims to care about other Muslims in general, but I know geopolitics doesn't work that way so that's not what I meant. Trump hates Muslims in America and abroad, and supports Israel and would probably go to war in the middle East again if he could. As a Muslim country who isn't in the US's bloc it seems like they'd feel the brunt of the effects of a Trump presidency.

They’re just pathetic excuses trying to get around laws to do with schooling, such as the national curriculum, not turning people away because of protected characteristics, etc.

Okay this seems a lot like projecting issues with modern Christian schools on religious schools as a whole.

Edit: I made a weird assumption in my head so let me correct myself: This seems like a uniquely Western problem (or maybe the Middle East is unique for not having it).

Okay I never had any respect for ISIS for obvious reasons, but what the actual fuck? Like I thought they were at least trying to do the Caliphate thing, in their woefully misguided understanding of the concept.

The point of the article is that Hamas committed many acts of rape and torture on Oct 7. You guys don’t like that narrative so you are trying to draw me off topic by focusing on Israel’s crimes and making a false equivalence between overzealous military tactics and rape-happy terrorists.

I won't engage with you anymore, but at least Hamas has the basic decency to not shoot children. Israel sure as hell doesn't.

What the shit? Why? Like seriously how would Qatar benefit from a Trump presidency? I guess it's plausible that the reason could be to weaken the US and therefore their hold on the Middle East, but is that really worth having to deal with "let's deport Muslims" Trump in the meantime"?

Uh... What Israel is doing is 100%, undebatable a war crime. As occupiers they have a responsibility under international law to provide food and other life necessities to the people of Gaza. That doesn't change with the addition of an insurgency.

I thought they must have been referring to the millenia long holy war over the land, started when the Jews first conquered the land from its previous inhabitants millenia ago. Then the Muslims came and settled there in recent history, and then the Jews tried to take it bac

What millennia long holy war? Jews conquered large parts of Palestine (not all of it AFAIK), settled there, then (omitting some stuff) the Romans kicked many of them out of there. Then Muslims conquered the region, and that ended that. While some Muslims settled in Palestine (like they did in their other territories) the idea that the original inhabitants are gone and the people living in Palestine now are descended from Arabs is a myth.

Edit: The current conflict started in 1917 and any attempt to make it look more complex by tying it to the Jews' debacle with the Romans is either ignorant or made in bad faith to both sides the conflict.

Okay I see what you mean but while I'd like them to be lying as much as the next person this one is pretty damning.

But I think the most salient and important point here is that there is no “good guy” or “right side” among the war combatants. It’s awful people fighting awful people.

Edit: Turns out I forgot to actually write the comment so here goes:

Hamas aren't good people, but the idea they're even comparable to the IDF is just wrong. Hamas at least has a cause they're fighting for, and have a real, valid reason for taking hostages (namely that without hostages post-war Gaza is fucked) (not saying they're allowed to abuse them that's just fucked up). And have the basic decency not to shoot children.

There will be no lasting consequences for Israel’s actions so they will, correctly, assume that there is nothing to stop them from doing it again.

Not concrete political action no, but make no mistake Israel has lost a lot of international support in this war, and support for them is now more concentrated among older people. I'll be cautiously hopeful that we'll see real change from the West in the next 20 or so years as the older generations die off and more people grow up hearing about Israel committing their second genocide.

I'm not American, but did America genocide anyone in recent history?

I mean they still need a functioning army for self-defense.

Who was the 50s guy?

even though its own membership of the UN was made conditional upon Palestinian refugees being allowed to return to their homes and land.

Did anyone actually try to enforce that condition?

They care because genocide is bad. This might be surprising, but setting aside the one they committed Americans have always been very not okay with genocide. Israel is (or was, anyway) the exception, not the rule.