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They use their power only when needed, which is very frequently given that their neighbors advocate for civilians giving away their lives to serve a religious ideology, meaning they're under a constant threat on their safety.

Yes, they're more powerful. But no, they don't only oppress using it. If they did, you'd have what china did to their muslim minority. The use of power is large, but not disproportionate to their level of security risk.

I mean, exchanging prisoners means freeing those who massacred on oct.7, and come on, Israel is not that stupid to let them run free again. That exchange will bite them tenfold in years to come if they do it (and they realized it now, hence they don't agree to it)

I mean, some of those 1,000 prisoners were active in that recent oct.7 massacre, so I guess that Israel learned from its mistakes. As much as it pains them, they can't effort giving Hamas forces, as they'll regret it tenfold later.

Do you seriously think Israel shut off internet to hide what's inside? Do you know satellites exist? Do you know cameras exist? How in the world was that preventing anyone from seeing into Gaza?

Then think again. They literally say what their goal is - a forceful end to Israel. And that nothing less will be enough - and that they'll keep killing civilians until that goal is met.

That's horrible. Palestinian civilians are the worse off in this whole conflict. But blaming Israel is 50% of the question. Maybe even 40%, since by now they have no other way of securing their 200 prisoners while not leaving Hamas with so much power to launch another deadly attack on them.

The only way to prevent such atrocities now is to let Gazans flee to Egypt and let Israel kill Hamas, then let Palestinians start fresh with a leadership which prefers clean water over terror.

Having power = the ones responsible?

They have no power in Gaza. They haven't had any for the last 15 years. The ones in control of Gaza and its population id Hamas, and the ones who doesn't take care of poor Palestinians is Hamas. And the ones who get foreign aid and uses it for rockets instead of infrastructure is Hamas.

Power != Responsibility. Life isn't spiderman.

Legit the most sane person I saw on this platform.

Congrats on not being brainwashed.

No reason to invade? And they're supposed to do what, say "ok don't do it again thx bye" to Hamas???

Hamas proved their lack of willingness to do anything but kill (Israelis and their own citizens). If Israel just backs down in a few years they'll have another attack, much bigger this time. There's no other way but to destroy Hamas, who no matter what are set only on death.

Any state in this world, after events like oct.7 would destroy the ones responsible. And saying they should just work towards peace, at this point, is gullible and delusional.

That article literally starts with "Beirut, oc.12". Saying lebanon are a good source of facts is delusional.

And that justifies bombing trucks full of refugees?

Again, source? And not an obviously biased one. Either way though, I can see that happening as a part of a war. Hamas are literally hiding between innocent women and babies, and that means those women and babies are killed. Does Israel have a hand in those deaths? Yes. Is Hamas responsible for those people? 200% yes and much more than Israel. Hamas started this attack very well prepared militarily, and with zero civilian infrastructure preparations. Not only did they not think of "what'll become of our civilians" they actively hold them from running to the south (which is still less bombed than the north). Blaming Israel and protesting against Israel is just ignoring the other side being completely wrong

Oh ok so 1400 dead and 200 kidnapped and they're supposed to just tap Hamas on the wrist and call it a day?

Israel's response is deadly, and 100% known since day 1 by anyone who is even a bit knowledgeable on the conflict. And that includes Hamas, which just disregard their citizens as colletaral damage in the pursuit of their lunatic jihad mindset.

The Gaza strip would've been left alone if an actual functioning government had been placed there. The siege started only when Hamas came to power, in a democratic election btw. And that election was a 100% Israeli idea - they left the strip alone all on their own because they themselves just had enough of dealing with it, and wanted to leave it alone (with heavy backlash from extremists in Israel, and still did it)

If your idea of "giving up" is using foreign aid to build civilian infrastructure instead of rockets, then that sounds like a pretty good plan to me.

Hamas tried. *Gaza is now fucked.

Maybe fucking a stronger power than you is not the best idea...???

Ah yes because murdering your own law abiding army serving citizens who are 100% a part of your society is the same as fighting a terrorist group who runs a region which isn't part of your country for over a decade.

100% the same, let's mark jewish houses in Berlin since they're also obviously nazis. /s

You didn't read a word I typed? Again, blaming the children for that situation is just as effective as blaming Israelis for existing in their own state, on which they were born and raised. (Something that all Palestinian leaders are blaming every Israeli for, and are teaching their people to hate those same children who were just born there).

And those same people, who were born and raised in their own country, didn't do anything to get the wrath of Hamas, yet here we are.

subset of "your" people

No Palestinian, or Gazan ever thought of themselves as Israeli, and neither did Israel think of them as their own. The situation of Gazans is terrible, but again - they're not part of Israel, and are never intending to be. That's so different from Nazi Germany that it's just insane to compare the two.

Stop thinking of the Holocaust as a genocide. It's so much more. It's blatant racism, and a well tuned death machine. Something Israel both aren't doing now, and didn't do ever. Israel is only fighting for the good of its own people, and no one in the world can blame them, since every other single nation would've done the same. (Btw, same as Egypt who are doing what's best for their people by not letting Gazans immigrate)

Using white phosphorus? No legit source confirmed that. That's some nice propaganda by Hamas who have been proven to lie constantly.

Idk about the 2 other claims, but it's easy to believe them. I'd like to think they had a good reason bombing so called "safe spaces" but the truth is that there couldn't be a safe place in Gaza right now. Not when Hamas is legit everywhere.

And about the kidnapped, do you really think they can just march into the tunnels and just grab them and say bye? Dead soldiers can't save anyone. They'd rather kill some and actually rescue some, than keeping them alive while getting hundreds if not thousands of soldiers running to their deaths in trapped underground tunnels. Doing a ground invasion without bombing the area first is just suicide.

Seriously, what the hell do you expect Israel to do in that situation. Think for just a second from their perspective and you'll realize what they're doing is necessary.

There is literally no other way of entering Gaza on foot but to bomb the area beforehand. Dead soldiers won't bring back any kidnapped prisoners.

Saving a few alive is better than adding hundreds of dead soldiers, entering their death to underground narrow death tunnels, filled with traps.

When reporters are going into active warzones, they get killed. Big shock!

And Palestinian's deaths are just as much on the hands of Hamas as they are on the hands of Israel. Since day 1 Hamas's creed was annihilating Israel and its citizens, and they were true on those words. Do you expect Israel to just do nothing and let them grow even larger than what they're already are? Do Israelis deserve no safety? Israel prioritizes its citizens' safety above that of Gazans, and no one in the world can fault them for that, since every other single state in the world would do the same.

I love that now when it's against Palestinian everyone is saying "is it right to blame the child for their parents' aggression?"

While for years that very same argument wasn't heard for Israelis when Palestinians yelled "from the river to the sea" and did an Intifada... Back then the left was focusing on "give them back the 48 land!"

Makes you wonder huh.

Ya'll can't think for a second from a military perspective.

No. This is not about hiding what they do - things will leak either way after the blackout is over - you can't erase data from people's devices.

This is a 100% legitimate war tactic of breaking your enemie's communication, making them less prepared for combat and catching them by suprise.

If ya'll are pro palestinian then you're also anti-Hamas, and that's a 100% anti-Hamas move. That's a good sign of Hamas about to take a massive hit.