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  • Of course. Education has not much bearing on intelligence. I know college educated people who are idiots. I know highly intelligent people who haven't touched a lick of education past highschool.

    Though, I still believe most people are stupid.

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  • They already have the drug. Education is going to do nothing. They need rehab;this is much more helpful, making it less accessible to future children. Worst case they get more tech literate finding their way around the bans

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  • Honestly I think there's plenty of good reasons to go after cartels with more force than just fbi. It's not great having that level of instability and danger right next door. However, we got our own problems right now(trump), and trump does have the ability to do the careful maneuvering that would be needed to do so.

  • This comes a bit down to utilitarianism vs ethics based on principles

    No, it doesn't. Either one, democracy is still better... Science does best with freedom from suppression.

    I'm not making the point that democracy is bad

    You are, in fact, making that point

    which goes to my previous point, that the propaganda is so internalized and polarized now that you don't need threats of state violence to keep the population in check

    Social suppression is a world apart from state suppression, and downvotes on reddit are not an example of keeping people in check. that's a terminally online viewpoint.

    Of course China has massive problems and corruption and abuses

    They are literally a dictatorship. That's an incredible understatement.

    How do YOU know that life in China isn't actually better and people more happy than in the USA?

    They are actively commiting genocide.

    Sure you have freedom of speech with the means of communication owned and controlled by the oligarchs

    There's plenty of options for uncontrolled communication. Corp suppression is still wholly different from gov suppression;they can't toss you in jail.

    The rich get richer and the poor get poorer is an aphorism that is leading the west inevitably towards fascism.

    That's your opinion, and does not reflect reality.

    Your response to a trend toward fascism(which is happening, but not inevitable), is to say we should embrace it like china does?

    They are stealing your future right now and there is nothing you can do because they control the media.

    Are you intentionally being obtuse about the fact that china has massive censorship. I'm not here to say the usa is good. You're ignoring European reality, favoring the usa in your arguments because it's closer to supporting them.

    So all the "posturing" about how superior our principles and freedums are is just... well it's a delusion

    We objectively speaking have more freedom of speech than china does at the present moment.

    But still the socialists are completely rejected and banned from the largest lemmy instances.

    Tankies. Not socialists. Socialists are often speaking and getting upvoted.