Fredthefishlord @ Fredthefishlord @lemmy.blahaj.zone

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This comes a bit down to utilitarianism vs ethics based on principles

No, it doesn't. Either one, democracy is still better... Science does best with freedom from suppression.

I'm not making the point that democracy is bad

You are, in fact, making that point

which goes to my previous point, that the propaganda is so internalized and polarized now that you don't need threats of state violence to keep the population in check

Social suppression is a world apart from state suppression, and downvotes on reddit are not an example of keeping people in check. that's a terminally online viewpoint.

Of course China has massive problems and corruption and abuses

They are literally a dictatorship. That's an incredible understatement.

How do YOU know that life in China isn't actually better and people more happy than in the USA?

They are actively commiting genocide.

Sure you have freedom of speech with the means of communication owned and controlled by the oligarchs

There's plenty of options for uncontrolled communication. Corp suppression is still wholly different from gov suppression;they can't toss you in jail.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer is an aphorism that is leading the west inevitably towards fascism.

That's your opinion, and does not reflect reality.

Your response to a trend toward fascism(which is happening, but not inevitable), is to say we should embrace it like china does?

They are stealing your future right now and there is nothing you can do because they control the media.

Are you intentionally being obtuse about the fact that china has massive censorship. I'm not here to say the usa is good. You're ignoring European reality, favoring the usa in your arguments because it's closer to supporting them.

So all the "posturing" about how superior our principles and freedums are is just... well it's a delusion

We objectively speaking have more freedom of speech than china does at the present moment.

But still the socialists are completely rejected and banned from the largest lemmy instances.

Tankies. Not socialists. Socialists are often speaking and getting upvoted.

It doesn't work.

...saying china is a democracy, or good, the kind of thing I hear these types saying is just as propagandized a take. That's the issue...

You can be "left wing" without being a "leftist". I wouldn't classify them as the same, personally. Left wing really includes anyone left of center

DISCORD

Matrix /s

I've heard Republicans talk in the wild... You really, really underestimate how misogynistic people are. We're close but right now we need certainty. I think a woman VP is the best bet, and I would HATE To relegate aoc to the nothing that is VP. Give it another 8 years before running aoc imo

voters are part of the problem. Half of them, about.

China has that luxury because they're relatively well off. Smaller nations don't necessarily

Find dems in primaries that agree with you. If you can't find one reasonable close, run yourself. That's my mindset. Already trying to make connections to run myself

I mean, kinda. Guys I heard talking sounded the most concerned I've ever heard them. Normally when talking about trump they're self assured, certain. Today, they were basically talking like they were reassuring themselves. Which is quite interesting. But still in the cult.

It's easier to unionize domestically. Yes, they will start as non-union. But then you can unionize them.

Not to say this is the way to bring them back;; it's absolutely not. But it would be GOOD if measures were in place to actually bring them back, as they could be forced to provide higher paying jobs

I'd like to know what you're saying is eu/usa propaganda on lemmy. As far as I've seen, people here are extremely anti usa at a minimum.

Low quality fast fashion clothes are a perfect example Of what would be GOOD to put tariffs on.we need to discourage them.

Steel, computer chips, major resources that are only obtainable from other countries and will have chain reactions in supply chains is what's going to cause all of the causes.

They'll always need money as long as money remains a concept. You still need to do outreach, and that isn't free no matter what it ideally should be.

Allowing small person money with a low limit would be the best way to go about it(within the constraints of our current economic system) in my opinion, with banning higher sums.

Christ, that's unlucky. With an experience like that I wouldn't even blame you if you had become one.

That's great that you stood up for your kid like that.

My pet peeve is when people post this for things that are not even close to common knowledge, like this. You are not lucky 10000. More like lucky,,, 10 or something

Relevant info would endanger them

Is frankly, quite questionable. Understandable, but questionable none the less. I can't help but feel there's information that can make it more clear if it's real without endangerment

They don't care about making money, they care about gambling and having a gambling addiction and trying to justify it

Or maybe you just don't know what the words "government official" mean

While calling cops to school is a terrible idea, canceling at any bs threat is also not a great idea... There's a good middle ground somewhere.