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You can ban directly using Tesseract and if mod actions federate there it'll ban them, and it'll also remove their comments if you tick remove submissions. I've done it before for users banned from Blahaj but commenting in our communities.

When did I say that? I said we should consider defederation as a community because transphobic views of an admin are risky and may lead to inaction towards transphobia on that server. That's the whole reason why we defederated feddit.uk before this, which is why I wanted feedback on this, from the local Blahaj.zone community.

The same way that having code on your computer written by stallman doesn't mean you support him or his views. Unless the creator backdoored it to do what they want against your authority, it doesn't mean a whole lot.

How? It's free and open source software. This sentiment just seems dumb. Where's the implication that using free and open-source software like Lemmy means you need to support the devs or federate with their server? I see no such rule, and it's not like they can stop or disallow you from using it (nature of open-source).

Anyone can host an instance and choose to run it however they like, the devs have no control in how or why people use Lemmy. It seems like a lot of people have trouble grasping this concept.

You probably work for meta or musk or reddit trying to kill the project.

Ah yes, because bad-jacketing users is totally a way to make you seem credible. Fuck off dude, this is a trans friendly space. Who do you think you are coming here telling trans people they are "just being reactionary" then sealioning and bad-jacketing users when they call you out on your bullshit.

defederating from instances you don’t like

And that's where you lost me since I made this post highlighting a problem with management of the server expressing harmful transphobic sentiment and now you are trying to make it out like these are petty personal opinions.
\ We've defederated from servers which allow or don't care about transphobia already, feddit.uk is an existing example. The fact that you are dismissing the problem like this shows you don't understand why we have such hostility towards transphobic sentiment or just don't care.

They're doing what many TERFs do, trying to cover up their bigotry with politeness and trying to sound like it's about logic or discussing the meaning of things. Trying to make their transphobia seem acceptable. Then they say trans people are unreasonable when they get called out or banned for their bigotry.

This what you are doing here is called sealioning and you need to stop. You were denying the reality of transphobia and the struggles of trans people and you got called out for it. You need to take the feedback that you did something wrong and check yourself, they don't owe you an explanation of their identities and experiences. You are an outsider in this safe-space for trans people.

I agree, it's one thing to ask a question, it's another thing to make assertions like this. The latter of which is very inappropriate and disrespectful since this is a local discussion on Blahaj policies.

Yeah that's why I decided to make the thread sooner rather than later. I wanted to get the community's opinions on it and see what they think. I do think there is the risk of Nutomic and others refusing to action transphobic rhetoric similar to his own if it seems "respectful" and "logical".

Lemmy.today has already been defederated from blahaj.zone because they had some nasty spam and transphobia problems.

They both have tens of thousands of less users.

Subscriber wise they are vastly different in size, MAUs aren't as drastic. Which is largely what matters.

Nutomic is one of the head admins on Lemmy.ml, there are others as well but he's one of the two in charge of the whole place.

They do indeed have a history of problematic moderation in general, though I'm not sure about how much they let thinly veiled transphobia slip there. There's not much of it to begin with and can be difficult to spot at first.

I’d really hate to lose !linux@lemmy.ml honestly

I pointed out in the other comment two alternatives to the Linux comm. !linux@programming.dev and !linux@sh.itjust.works, both have decent activity and could be more active if more users started posting.

There isn’t a suitable replacement for the Linux community elsewhere

What about !linux@programming.dev or !linux@sh.itjust.works? Those seem decently active.

but the hassle is that you cannot transfer your comments or posts to a new account

That is a minor drawback. It would be nice if they implemented ownership transfer abilities for posts and comments, though it'll probably be a while before we see that.

But overall, I think most people on ml would just stop seeing posts from our instance and never think about it. It would be a small minority that would even notice, but the majority would be getting less content from diverse voices in the queer community overall. Again, it would just take a lot of consideration.

I can see how and why this would be a problem and why this should be carefully considered, that can be a poor outcome. I guess the same can be said for any defederation including the feddit.uk one. It all depends I guess on how they handle these issues going forward and also how they handle this subject overall. If a lot of the people there are "I support trans people but I don't think kids..." (you get the idea) it doesn't really do much good to federate with them. At least in my opinion.

Admin Ping for @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone to weigh in on this issue with her thoughts and opinions on the matter.

Blahaj.zone doesn't enable downvotes. As for bans. Sure. If it's a handful of one-off users. But if this speaks to the larger instance culture on .ml that's where defederation is considered, and because it's one of the lead admins, it speaks to their ability and willingness to keep their instance safe.

Sigh, if you must know, here is the context:

I thought more people had seen this since it's older and pinned in MeanwhileOnGrad.

That is partially why I opened this thread. A community discussion is something that could be beneficial here in deciding what to do. There could be a lot of fallout from defederation though I don't feel like it would be particularly bad since most communities on Lemmy.ml are already a thing elsewhere, and have more users there too, and most people who want to be here already have accounts here or would very quickly and easily make accounts here or on an instance that federates with us.

Found the idiot right-wing troll.