Eldritch @ Eldritch @lemmy.world

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I just thought they were ministry fans.

It's a problem of propaganda. All the mass media is owned by a few wealthy interests. A lot of people only get information from mass media. Media which regularly gave a seditious tractor like trump undue respect and deference for fear of 'losing access". When they don't treat him with the disdain and animosity he rightly deserves. People question whether what he did was actually that unusual or even bad.

Yes they saw what happened January 6th, but most of the media doesn't even bother to mention it much now. So it must not have been that big of a deal right? All a bunch of overblown hyperbole and bluster like Republicans accusations against Democrats. So they just "both sides" it all. Handwaving it away, thinking themselves above it and superior. Only bothering to latch on to talking points they like. Which only makes things worse seeing how bad Democrats are at playing the media compared to republicans.

Fear of clowns is a common. What internal demons possess a man, causing them to paint their faces in ridiculous unnatural hues. Or wear baggy ridiculous clothing. Taint natural I tells ya!

The mass media, even so called lefty MSNBC which is center at best. Though usually pretty solid right. Didn't cover it with the appropriate tone or seriousness it deserved. MSNBC did at least start out that way and tried before giving up. The rest of the media never did. And so there was 4 years of largely rehab to trumps image. The simple fact that he incited a coup wasn't brought up much for fear of losing access.

And so, people started to question their own eyes. Question whether there was actually really a coup or not. If it was just being blown out of proportion like conservatives blow fluoride in the water out of proportion. If the popular media isn't going to treat it like it's serious why would the average consumer of popular media?

Hell so much of the media spent so much more time covering Republican false accusations of Democrats smuggling in immigrants to hurt America. Suddenly the truth became lies and lies became the truth.

And before you admonish and ridicule these people for not going to such and such website to get the truth etc. A lot of people don't get their information and news online still. Relying on the completely captured 4th estate to report on and distill even news happening online down for them. And this is the power of control and propaganda. For a short while at least perception can be reality. We need to spend less time haranguing and attacking people who mistakenly voted for trump. Instead trying to find a way to disarm and defeat the captured fourth estate.

So they're the same

Oh I have no empathy or sympathy for her horrible family or her. Just the average person that lives in the states and isn't an elected official.

Choosing not to engage is implicit consent. The largest voting block in the United States are the ones that don't. There's a reason they try to disillusion and disenfranchise people into not engaging or voting. It serves the purpose of the people who are the problem. Not the people who aren't voting. And at some point other people's problems become your own. So while it isn't your job. It's a good idea to keep things from getting that bad.

I'm not the one here trying to justify anything. That's you. You're the one here trying to pull off some ridiculous conspiracy theory where more than half the voting population are either mentally handicapped or evil in order to justify your 2 minutes hate.

Simply unwilling to acknowledge that the majority of people still get all their information from the mainstream media. The same mainstream media that we call out here on a daily basis for being tepid spineless and inaccurate in their coverage of everything including Palestine. The same mainstream media that has given Trump and Republicans far too much undue deference and respect. Propping them up. It's not that you can't understand the people who voted for Trump it's that you don't want to.

The fact that you could be on Reddit or Lemmy and claim that you are somehow not terminally online is especially hilarious. Being on either of those is absolutely terminally online. Brother we both are. You just lack the self-awareness. And that's the problem.

Well the real key on that is to stop looking at it as us and them. Because they are us. When it really comes down to it they generally want the same thing. They just let themselves get distracted with culture war issues. Dehumanizing and othering people who aren't them. Just as we are easily susceptible to stories media and Outlets that dehumanize and other them or tying them as the problem.

They think wealthy Democrats are to blame for all their problems. If we are being extremely generous they might be 10 to 25% correct. Whereas Democrats and many progressives feel it is wealthy Republicans that are to blame. Which again 75 to 80% correct. Which is just how the people who are the problems like it. Continuing to make it an US versus them thing. When the truth is it doesn't matter what party they pretend to be in. It's on the wallpapers that are the problem. And that's something both Republican voters and everyone else can really agree when you get down to it. But that is what would really terrify the people who are the problem. If we were to unite against them.

Though as an anarchist that may just be my personal views.

It's funny to watch you attack them for being in an echo chamber they didn't seek. From an echo chamber you did. But I'm glad you can admit that you are dedicated to being the problem. And not the solution. It's in curiosity and ignorance like that that will help the fascists continue to win. It's just too much work to ask questions about how and why people behave the way they do. So much easier to just dismiss them as being less intelligent and informed than yourself. Just like they do to you.

The war plan is to be strong and woke AF. Fuck Slotkin

Wow it's awful Brave of you to put yourself out there as an example of the problem I'm trying to illustrate. Thank you for posting this. This is an example 100% of what I'm talking about. The same arrogance, ignorance, and presumption that everyone has the same experience as you. That therefore you are superior to them. You are literally using the conservative/fascist Playbook to ridicule and other these people.

I'm sure that will win them over to your side. Or make things better. Not.

I think Depeche Mode put it better. People Are People. So why should it be, we should treat each other so awfully.

Just remember. If you want to paint with a broad brush categorizing people as idiots. You are numbered with them. We all are. But I would still stand gladly with them shoulder to shoulder. Against any oligarch or Vanguard.

Trump says vague shit all the time. Which that is a prime example of. He wasn't specific. But he did not say it in a vacuum either. The mass media did a lot to sane wash it. To imply that it wasn't as sweeping or horrific as it would actually be. And people believed them.

The mass media does not treat him as a fascistic man child narcissist. They shower him with undo respect and restraint. Thinking in some misguided Nevil Chamberlain sense, that appeasement will save them. Though to be fair plenty of them feel like they are in on it as well.

To deny that this is the case, that mass media has not failed us, that their failings to be informed are all on them and no one else. Is to dismiss them with the same touch that conservatives dismiss the poor the underserved and minorities. Simply by assuming they all have the exact same access and opportunity that we do. They don't. Don't be like conservatives and fascists. Yes people absolutely do need to do more to educate themselves. But we absolutely need to make it clear and easier to find proper sources to do that from and encourage them to do that.

When you make assumptions based on your personal experience you've already lost the debate.

The internet absolutely does that I agree. The problem is. That you think that everyone else is as terminally online as we are. And in that way you are as bad as they are. This isn't an accusation against you specifically or anything. I'm just pointing out how we can all ultimately do bad things unintentionally. By simply assuming that everyone else is like us.

That's an extreme misrepresentation. By being here, you're an exception. And you're judging them based on that. And this is the exact issue. They aren't choosing anything. Options like Lemmy etc simply aren't present to them. And that's the issue.

You found it, and that's great. Now figure out how to help normal people find it. And not driving them away.

Or the most powerful minorities of all. The gays. Who by simply existing can cause earthquakes and hurricanes!

While I upvoted you, and we absolutely did tell them that. Many of them through no fault of their own weren't reached by the message. And that's something we need to figure out how to fix. Because with the consolidation of media and AI, this is only going to get worse.

Patting ourselves on the back about being right. Will only comfort us so much, when our lack of reach etc. Continues to haunt us

Or DEI, or immigrants, or trans, or or or any of the other non threats they've been programmed to fear.

Small point of distinction. If you throw yourself into a wood chipper you aren't a victim of the wood chipper. Just your own hubris. But otherwise I agree absolutely.