[sh.it.post] We're #5! We're #5!
I just want to take a moment to say your username is amazing.
Damn right!
See, everyone is coming in and talking about different means of measuring instances, the implications for the fediverse and the position of federated services against corporate monoliths like reddit.
But you, verity - you get it.
So!? We're #5! Or 4! Or something!
(Not everything needs a point - I just felt like posting this. Though it does look like it's started a discussion about the relative size of lemmy and different instances, which is neat to think about once in a while - or disheartening depending on your perspective)
Agreed. IMO it's a coked-out SMB fanfic that became a movie, and I love it.
Man, I just wanted to chant "We're #5", now I have people coming at me with facts. :p
(Jokes aside, I appreciate it. There's nuance to these metrics and what best accounts for 'size', particularly for those cases/services where the metrics reflect a little bugginess anyway)
100% agree with you there. Helpful's underselling it, I'd say non-negotiable given Ada's comments.
My only thought about locking it down if there's overwhelming support for migrating to .world (which I think is very unlikely) is to give time for people who still wouldn't want to follow the mods to sort out what they want to do, while stemming the flow of stuff while BLZ 196 is unmoderated to reduce load on the admins (which seems to have been one key part of the problems).
It's a big community, and I could see a jump in malicious activity while a) a new mod team is being sorted out, and b) importantly, people work with the admins to say "K, the old mod team's approach caused some problems for you. As manager of the resource we want to use, how can we manage that better to reopen 196". That and maybe at that point, people staying might prefer a clean break to onehundredninetysix.
The intent would not to keep 196 locked permanently the way I'm thinking about it unless folks want to change to onehundredninetysix - probably would be like a day or less. I could 100% be making much out of nothing re: transfer to a new mod team, though, particularly given how this went down and the pool of potential moderators that announced interest already.
First, I want to thank you for this post and taking accountability for the mistakes made with this.
I'll also acknowledge that not being able to see who performed moderator actions can create misunderstandings like you describe.
My own suggestion would be along the following lines:
- Reopen this instance's community on an interim basis. I'll acknowledge I don't know what implications this has for the .world community, and how that would need to be managed.
- Put a user poll up about whether users want this community to be migrated to .world. Keep it up for a reasonable amount of time (say a week).
- Honour the results. If the vote says keep this community here, commit to moderating it here. If there are members of the team who feel they cannot do this, allow them to step down without any flack. You're all volunteers - if it's too much for someone, it's too much. That's fair and doesn't take away from their prior efforts and support.
- If the community votes to stay here, work with the blahaj admins again on how to balance the needs of the community v. the fact that the community wants you to use their resources. Yes, I know you have done this already. But two things jump to mind first:
a) there seems to be a resource problem re: addressing some kinds of complaints/reports in this community in a timely manner. This might be offset by more mods to help out - I know in the wake of this, many have expressed interest in volunteering.
b) perhaps a compromise can be met re: a very basic identification of where a moderation action came from - a simple tag [A] for admin, [CM] for Community Moderator. This would reduce any confusion as to where the ban came from, and with it the rationale. I'm not suggesting this would resolve all tensions, but may help manage their worst impacts.
This seems reasonable to me, but I will acknowledge I am not in your position when offering these.
Edit to acknowledge that while the above was well intended, it looks laughably slow/too little too late now. But I think these might be useful for someone's reference down the road if they consider migration of other particularly large communities down the road, so leaving it here.
I mean this is the ideal. Most of the time I'm right there with ya. I'm just really attached to this instance - doesn't mean that others are bad for not being on this (upon review, actually somewhat problematic) list.
There's a couple weird things about this re: lemmy.ml data - for instance, the fedidb entry for them specifically shows 147k total posts, but they don't show up in the top 10.
Not sure what to make of that either.
Huh, you're right. In fairness this is cropped from an image shared on the AskLemmy .ml thread, so I'm not 100% sure what's going on there. Edit: Image is legit. Weird...
sh.it.heads: "We're number 5! We're number 5!"
(me. I'm probably the only one chanting at this fact)
people comment on the pinned post expressing their displeasure at the move. Many calls for more explicit details about why the move, why no consultation with the subscribed users, why essentially no notice, and why locking the community here
Mods: lock comment section
Man, it's always weird hearing this, because as a millenial this sounds exactly like my experience growing up.
It's weird - you and I have never interacted, and we're usually engaging in totally different discussions in the fediverse, but every time I see a post from you my first thought is "We must protect Smorty at all costs. If Smorty stops posting, the fediverse has lost its way."
#makesmortyhappyagain
Agreed - putting rationale aside, locking the community and just saying "We are moving our community to .world, go there" without community consultation is a terrible move.
Man, haven't had to think this much about the relationships between instances, communities, and userbases re: 'ownership' for a while.
Thank you - asked the question in another place, and while I'd much prefer an offical comment from Ada and/or Moss or the other mods, I'm starting to form a picture.
If it's a capability thing I would hope there would've been a call for more mods to support the instance-wide rules...easy to say, of course, but I feel like there's so much love for this community they'd have some volunteers.
This sucks.
Edit: Start here, folks: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/12464713
If you don't want to get into it yourself, totally cool, but if anyone else does - what is this about?? Like, I don't understand the moderatorial and ideological differences referenced that justify bringing 196 to .world.
I loved having 196 on blahaj specifically, means more exposure to my trans and gender diverse homies and their memes because they feel safe here.
Edit: To those just joining us, who like me comment before reading the whole thread, this is a good place to start: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/12464713
[Edit edit: Changed to a LBZ link, because having it be the lemmy.world link is the height of irony]
Hey, much respect to that.