XIIIesq @ 13esq @lemmy.world

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I'm done here, have a nice day.

I'd argue that whilst it is the source of the debate that I'm currently only interested in the tangential discussion regarding freedom of speech and whether it is ok to label someone a Nazi because you disagree with them.

You can discuss Musk with other people, I'm not interested.

I'm not getting drawn in to the debate of wether it was or wasn't.

I'm defending people's rights to have an opinion without being labeled a Nazi by default because it trivialises the awful crimes commited in WWII.

Denying the holocaust is a crime in some countries, and with good reason. Let me know when we're not allowed to discuss the actions of Musk.

Thank you for understanding that I'm only here to talk about free speech.

If the rules were no X posts, then they should've had the post taken down with a warning. I don't think a lifetime ban is a reasonable response to an undesirable opinion, I don't think it meets the requirements of hate speech which is where I'd personally draw the line.

It's an opinion. I'm not saying it was, I'm not saying it wasn't, I'm expressing some level of doubt, nothing more nothing less.

But I'm not here to talk about musk's salute, I'm here to say people are entitled to an opinion.

I'm not arguing about Musk here, I'm arguing whether people should be allowed to express themselves.

Ok, that's fine, but what you are doing is equating everyone that expresses a different opinion on musks salute to a Nazi, and whilst I understand why that is a popular opinion here, I don't think it's entirely helpful.

You could say it's your opinion that they are gullible, delusional, easily misled or whatever else, let me know when democracy, the rule of law and human rights are being infringed and let's talk.

Right. The S and P 500 went down 0.5% yesterday, it's a pretty typical trading day and still up over the last five days, month, six months and the year.

Trumps a lunatic, but one thing he does understand is business.

I don't care. Read my full comment history if you want, you'll find I'm quite clearly a left winger.

I really don't know what my comment history has to do with my ability to defend freedom of speech.

I couldn't care less if people want to take issue with my opinions, I only ask that it's kept civil and the debate is kept relevant to the subject, I'm not interested in personal attacks.

Invasion of privacy, breech of the peace, trespassing and probably more.

Your terrible analogy has almost nothing to do with freedom of speech, if you think a redditor writing an opinion on Musk is equivalent to them playing the drums in your bedroom at night, you might be a tad sensitive.

Exactly the point, I don't know why I'm struggling to get that across, apparently people get it when you say it!

People here seem to be confused between me endorsing "Nazi shit", which I am not, and me backing the freedom of speech.

I don't know why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

asks definition of a wordwhen given the definition moves the goal posts in an incredibly condescending way.

Why don't you stop criticising me as a person and say what you want to say in plain English?

I take it you can't articulate your problem with my argument and that's why you have a problem with me instead.

Opinion:

a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge

What's your point? Other than trying to discredit me by insinuating I'm an idiot?

I never thought that endorsing the freedom of speech would be so controversial!

If endorsing the freedom of speech makes you alt-right, then I guess I'm alt-right.

Nice opinion, you're entitled to that!

We're back to opinion Vs fact, again!

At the end of the day, until Musk comes out and says, "it was a Nazi salute and I'm a Nazi", it will be up to opinion and everyone has a right to share their opinion.

and I'm sure I know why you do it.

I really don't appreciate the insinuation but the least you could do is grow a pair, come out and say it.

The difference here is that you made a post against community guidelines. Where as in this case the guy seems to have been banned for wrong think.

I'm not arguing that communities can't have their own rules.

Yes, but in this case we are not talking about a lie, we are talking about an opinion which you yourself consider a lie.

It comes back to objective truth Vs opinion which I have already replied to you about.

Regardless of this, there are cases where lying is protected by the first amendment.

https://www.freedomforum.org/is-lying-protected-first-amendment/

The example of where lying is not protected in the case to which we are referring would be:

Be a provable assertion of fact (not an opinion)

I think the prior comments provide adequate context. I've said everything I have to say on the issue and I'm bored now. Have a nice day.