It happens 🤷

Imagine having Windows installed in 2024. /s

Most people are tech illiterate. Ask them anything but to use a pre installed system or pop in a CD that was given to them (No they can't burn one themselves) and they'll fail
- With all the UI changes on every version in the last few years that simply isn't true. Windows is becoming harder and harder to use even if you know what you are doing, much less if you don't know half the computer related terminology.
- I can't imagine walking around and just assuming everything is a magic black box and not have the slightest curiosity about how something works.
- Imagine having a CD in 2024 /s
- No, that's ChromeOS. Windows still assumes some knowledge that you may take for granted, but someone who's never used a computer before might not know.
- The point is that this is Linux community and majority understand that there is basically no reason in using Windows. But there are proprietary exceptions like games and stuff. I don't have Windows on my machine for years and I'm perfectly fine without it.
  I'm not talking about "most people", because they all have been brainwashed by Microsoft and will refuse in adopting anything different than Windows. It comes pre installed basically everywhere.
- Personally I'm not tech illiterate; I'm just too lazy to reboot every time I want to hop on the decks and do some DJing or music production. Or play one of the few games that won't run on Linux. Or watch something in HDR.
  I wish there was a way to instantly jump back and forth between OSes with a key combo, without having to resort to any sort of VM fuckery. Like how for a brief moment in the 90s you could buy an expansion card for your Mac that was an entire Windows PC on a single board. You do exactly what I described: instantly go back and forth between Mac and PC without having to close any programs. We should find a way to make that a thing again.
- Stop enabling normies, make them become tech literate or send them back to the stone-age (preferable).

You don't sound so bad for pushing 120!

You guys have windows partitions?

I keep dual windows on laptop for rare occasions cuz I don't like dealing with passthrough for special USB cables that require their own drivers on VMs
- Yep, pretty much the same reason, just have to use it, mostly because of software that interacts with hardware, in one way or another.
- USB cables require drivers? 👀
Not on bare metal, for this reason
- Need for interacting with hardware, so yeah, have it on bare metal, plus in a VM.
- Always use a condom to interface your bare metal and windows.
I do. I wanted to finish something there that I couldn't easily move to Linux. A DVD project using files scattered accross the system in DVDStyler. I didn't notice DVDStyler works on Linux.
Now I am basically keeping it due to sunk cost fallancy. It has lots of menus and videos, plus some of them I cut myself. But I don't even remember where I ended. There was also something about color limitation in menus I wanted to fix. I last shut it down during an update about 2-3 years ago.
But who knows, maybe later at some point...
But I could really use those extra 400GB. I only have 15GiB free right now...
I installed one when I made my first Linux PC last month in case I needed to use Windows for anything that wouldn’t work fine enough on Linux.
One month later and I still haven’t used it for anything. I think I may have underestimated how fleshed out the Linux ecosystem is these days.
I've been delaying moving my root arch patition from my HDD to overwrite my old windows install on my SSD for months.
I feel like the potential problems that that could cause aren't worth the better loading times from the SSD.

Skill issue. Can't click a Windows entry if you don't have one!

Can't click on Windows, if have no Windows 😏

You use your mouse for GRUB?

Me with only linux installed: not a problem i face, no

Yesss, Linux gang for the win!

Ah old days... I used to boot into Windows 10 just for gaming but when Valve's Proton matured to the point that all my games could work on Linux I very happily nuked it out of existence. But yeah if someone plays Fortnite or needs Adobe products then you still can't do much unfortunately.

Only problem is gamepass
- I only played via Steam so I wouldn't know. I hear it's a good deal, but I've made it a point to not accept such good deals from BigTech. Have gotten screwed over too many times. Remember when Google Photos allowed unlimited storage?
I don't do either, but I still need Windows. Some software just needs native communication with hardware devices and wine is still not there yet.
- That's what virtualization is for.
This isn't a real solution, but I've run it fine through Amazon on Chrome while using Linux.

Just hold the power button until it gets quiet.

... shush, don't fight it, it will be over soon.

I always imagine this when hard rebooting any device
I know, I know... we were just not meant to be, sorry...
It could be installing updates
- You are right, but I always risk it (restore points work most of the time anyway).
- Unless u have a ntfs shared drive which gets locked by windows if u don't restart...
  One of the main reasons why I let ot boot all the way. If nothing else, it'll mark the partition as dirty 😒. Sure, I can sudo mount my way into it, but I really have no idea if everything's OK with it. So, I have to reboot, boot into Windows, mark the partition for a consistency check, reboot, boot into Windows again so it could do the check, then reboot again and (finally!) boot into Linux 😒... I mean, just let it boot all the way the first time, it'll be over rather quickly.
- Oh yeah, I've had that happen to me (only the one time, like a decade ago), once I realized what gives I solved it easily with GParted 'repair' or something like that (iirc?).
  Edit: ohh, I think it was a (full distro) live-boot CD that I used.

I haven't booted into my windows 10 drive in months, I fear the amount of updates it will force apon me if I accidentally do.

I was in that situation a while ago, so I booted in to try and keep it up to date. Well, in reality I booted into recovery mode as it decided to die. Anyway I'm now duel booting arch and tumbleweed
Use Windows Update Blocker to block them.
At that point I'd just get rid of Windows entirely. I used to have it on my laptop, and the updates it installed after booting for the first time in months broke networking. I never used that install so I decided to use the storage space for more sensible things.
remove windows if you're not using it

How?

No dual boot here, Windows is confined to a VM. Even in the ancient times I had dual boot, last century, Linux was always the default.

There's also the possibility of selecting the last booted OS by default instead of a specific entry
- I'm glad I never found that option. ;)
That is all good and fine, unless you need it to interact with hardware, which I do.
- Then still you can set Linux as default. Lilo had an option to reboot with an option to set a 1 time default. (that was neat) On dual boot hardware, I always set the one I want to default boot, which is in my case always Linux. (must still have a dual boot laptop somewhere)

I'm not into programming, and I'm an LGBTQIA Ally. Just genuinely curious. Are 90% of Linux users really young white femboys with anime body pillows? Or is Lemmy just a heavily skewed demographic?

It’s mostly just a stereotype. I know plenty of young white femboys who use Windows, and I’m a Linux user who is young and white but definitely not a femboy. I would say 90% of Linux users probably know how to program though.
- Or at least are very friendly with the terminal and know all sorts of scripting languages... which is not that far from programming either.
- I think only 60% linux users know how to program
It's just Lemmy!
Dual booters are fem-boys with anime body pillows.
Those brave enough to take the full plunge and single boot Linux are fem-men with anime body pillows.
- No... The true Linux users are white, mid-40 men who only use Arch Linux on an old Thinkpad and who will comment "I use Arch BTW" under a video with a random dog eating a ball just to prove that the dog should use Arch as well, because it is objectively better than anything else.
these comments always remind me how small the amount of my peers here probably is. i wonder how many other lemmy users have cooked crack
- ✌️... not proud of it though... and it was heroin, not crack.
To extend your statistical research I'm a GNU/LINUX. user, i have never watched an anime, I'm white, extremely racist and a lgbtqia hater.
- I hate that I had to check your history to see if you were joking
  ^judging ^by ^lots ^of ^comments ⁱⁿ ^{!196@lemmy.blahaj.zone} ^I'm ^going ^yes
Heavily skewed demographic IMO. LGBTQ+ supportive liberals is what makes most of it, but I would bet that there are republican IT workers out there (or rightists, in general, if not from the US) or users that maybe like most of what the right has to offer, just don't agree with everything all the way, like let's say libre software.
And I stole the meme, I wouldn't have used that image for the meme, I'm in no way into anime 😂. Sure, Akira and legendary stuff like that, but that's just a really good movie TBH, it doesn't matter if it's anime or not.
My impression of linuxmemes (what's the lemmy word for subreddit?) is mostly that it feels like the regular posters don't use Linux. Either that, or it is automated and reposting stuff from 10-20 years ago that isn't very accurate or relevant.
- We call the comms, short for communities 😉.
No, but I find it funny, so I am willing to propagate that myth. We are also all furries, you forgot that part.

Windows is installing update 2 of 48...

Yeah, that was back in the WinVista/7/8/8.1 days, it doesn't show the number of updates any more. Plus, a lot of the updates are cumulative, they abandoned their earlier model.
And, I have to admit, the update process is a lot faster now and a lot less error prone.
- it doesn't show the number of updates
  Huh didn't think of that.
Admittedly, when you run apt-update on a freshly installed system, you get a whole lot more updates. But at least they finish in a a few seconds, compared to Windows's somewhere between now and the end of time. Who knows ¯(ツ)/¯
- The are no forced updates ever, no forced restarts, and by golly no multiple restarts.

When the windows update bricked my OS I sighed in pure relief as I could finally stop using windows forever. As an added bonus I didn't lose any work because the drive was fully accessible to arch.... after windows said it had encrypted the drive.

Absolute trash operating system and I have zero regrets leaving.

Same, Windows also bricked my Grub install (which was on another drive). Too bad I have to use that trash for school
- I very much understand your pain, my drive died mid-year while I was at university, I just cleaned it up and added it to a virtual machine with win10 to finish projects with the windows based programs.
  Worked surprisingly well. I used virtual machine manager on arch (and now endeavour, I can't stop distro hopping but I've stayed on endeavour the longest)
Yup a Windows update messing with the bootloader before gracefully failing (blue screen) was the nudge for me to remove it once and for all

That just doesn't happen to me.

I use rEFInd.

That also doesn't happen to me.
The last time I had Windows installed anywhere was around 15 years ago.

People are still using GRUB to dual boot? It’s not 2010 anymore. systemd-boot is the objectively superior choice.

I just unplug the exposed SATA cable from one ssd and plug it into the other SSD. I am the bootloader
Is systemd-boot a bootloader?
- It’s a boot manager, technically.
Good for people that use systemd... what about the rest of us...
- All six of you Luddites? You figure it out.
laughs in rEFInd
also systemd-boot is just worse GRUB, CMV
- I have no desire to engage with an objectively incorrect view. However, you are the second person to mention refind which I am unfamiliar with and I'm intrigued.
does systemd-boot require a distro that runs systemd or is it just the name
- It’s part of systemd, just for those that use it.

Just pray to God you didn't pick "Windows Boot Repair" or you're going to spend a while recovering your partition labels...

Not an issue, I still use MBR boot.
- I hear you.
  The first time WBR killed my partition labels, it was before I could even properly restart. I removed the GRUB entry after that mess, once I repaired their labeling; but at least at the time, it would come back after every GRUB update. Later I just moved Windows to its own hard drive and left it there.
  Now I don't even feel the need to bother with it at all.

you don’t have it default to linux..?

I do, but I sometimes need Windows and I get confused when rebooting "was I supposed to use Windows or Linux now 🤔".
- lol happens to me too ><

What Windows? I got Debian, and some shit that tests my memory.

Your memory or your computer's memory? Huge difference.
- "I forgot"

same thing happens to me but with temple os

Takes gazillion years to boot

does anyone know how to actually reorganze a grub menu? every time I try to Google it I only get results for some old software that hasnt been updated in ~~over a decade~~ 8 years. its a huge pain to have to select the distro I want every time just because its not first

The old GRUB was easy, just a text file... I think I've done it once in the new one but it's way too long since then
I bet either the Gentoo or Arch (or probably both) wiki has enough details on how to manage GRUB to do that
- I think arch install defaults to systemd-boot these days. But, I realise that doesn't negate anything you said... So. Hope you're having a nice day.
Grub Customizer. Just don't change it too much (names of menu entries for example) cuz most package managers won't recognize that that menu entry is actually a menu entry for it's own install and won't replace it with a new one when doing a kernel update. So, basically, one of two things will happen. You will either be left with 2 menu entries (one for the new kernel and one for the old one, with the old one being the default) or two, you'll still be booting the old kernel, even though you have the new one installed (no changes to grub whatsoever). Just rearanging the menu entries is fine though, most package managers won't mangle that and will recognize the menu entry as part of the OS they're updating and replace that one with a new one.
- is there a fork of grub customizer somewhere thats being maintained? that was the software I was talking about in my original comment* and unless im misreading the GitHub page for the project, the last update was 8 years ago.
  *I mispoke when I said it was over 10 years out of date, it was updated in 2016.
Yast on openSUSE does this and is maintained.

You can quite easily set grub to remember the last picked option

That is not the problem. It's whether I wanted to pick Windows or Linux in this reboot that's the issue.

Does grub even support mouse? Wouldn't you have to arrow down to it and hit enter?

no and yes
- To which question?
Yeah, so you jump an entry or get confused and puck it by mistake. Happens to me all the time 🤷.

lmao imagine not using MINIX as your main OS

People with newer Intel CPUs are way ahead of you. Even if they'd really rather not be.
- lmao

No issue here. If I make a mistake in grub, I end up in memtest.

Is her wall made out of glass?

'Murican walls. Made of paper, glue, and chalk.

First mistake was having windows installed lol.

The same applies for the other way around when I need Windows for something.

I apparently magically attract computers with a horribly slow UEFI so it takes a while to reboot regardless of the OS.

If it takes too long to load the EFI binaries, that might be BIOS setup issue. Have you tried other filesystems except FAT32 for the EFI partition? I've had luck with just FAT (FAT16) on some rigs that just refused to read FAT32 (still don't know why).
Also, make sure the drives are in AHCI mode. Though this is mostly the default nowadays, I've seen weird BIOSes that defaulted to IDE mode.

What is this "Windows" thou speakest of? I use grub just to experiment with kernel options and select different kernels without writing too often to the efi eeprom

Ahh it's the Java laptop.

I use uefi to change boot order between openSUSE and holoiso 👍

Quick hard shutdown.

Just accept the winning side.

This is bait right? It HAS to be...surely.
- No. I am not joking.
So, mind-skipper in that you forgot to pick one up when they were being handed out?