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Don't do this, but remember: the richer a person is, the bigger the ecological footprint. You are higher on that list than you might realize. Especially ecofascists tend to forget that fact.

Yeah you know what would actually be better? Fixing legislation so that the 100 companies that create the majority of pollution stop doing that
- Lmmfao, yeah good luck with that.. (hint: the people who own those companies also own the government who makes the laws, there is no reforming capitalism, it's designed that way)
- Even better than that is changing the system so the 100 companies are no longer around to create a majority of pollution.
- The statistic that "Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions" is better understood as "Just 100 companies responsible for selling 71% of global fossil fuels". It's fundamentally saying that there's a few large coal, oil and gas companies worldwide selling us most of the supply.
  If you want those companies to stop polluting, that amounts to those companies not selling fossil fuels.
  Which is honestly the goal, but the only way to do that is to replace the demand for fossil fuels. Cutting the US off from fossil fuels would kill a ton of people if you didn't first make an energy grid 100% powered by renewables, got people to buy electric cars, cold climate heat pumps, etc.
- That's true! But I think more than one "front" can be open in this battle. And we also need the ones that can be won quicker or easier. Or at least start those too.
- How do you think we could stop the pollution from those companies (most of which are oil producers) without also directly impacting normal people? There's no way of getting at the structural that avoids individual change.
Yeah - everyone is shitting on the top 1% here in Germany until they realize that half the population here makes it into that percentile and suddenly it's the 0,1% that's the problem.
It's all about putting the blame on someone else so you don't have to question if you might be a little bit responsible, too, with your lifestyle...
- Half the population of Germany makes it into the global 1%? So 40 million Germans are in the 1%, a group that is 80 million people in the world?
  People severely estimate how many Westerners there are. The US alone is like 4 or 5% of the world population. If you're in the west, you're in the top 15% of the world, but not likely the top 1%
Especially ecofascists
Do you think so-called “ecofascists” are unaware of their contributions to climate change? Or do you just assume that based on their behavior?
- You are right. Never trust a fascist's propaganda. There always is a gap between their announced beliefs and their real ones.
You could make a religion out of this
- Least insane religion
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/billionaire-emits-million-times-more-greenhouse-gases-average-person
Also much less important than the top by multiple orders of magnitude.

I feel like this argument is way too imprecise, to the point of being basically untrue. That's probably based on the average emissions or something like that, but people are not the same and "emission responsibility" is wildly different.

Imagine killing 34k exploited African people, the world's climate won't even notice that. On the other hand, killing 34k middle class Americans or Europeans would probably be a little more effective, but still won't fix anything. Now, killing 34k high-profile megacorp executives would definitely be much more effective, but would also collapse some economies, leading to various climate unfriendly events (like riots, war and shit).

But the simplest empirical evidence is: COVID killed 6 million people and the climate is still shit.

Source: I made it the fuck up, I'm talking out of my ass

The 34k wealthiest ppl in the world emit more than 3,200,000,000 average people.
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/billionaire-emits-million-times-more-greenhouse-gases-average-person
- It looks like my ass is very knowledgeable. Definitely a good source
- Bullshit.
  The investments of just 125 billionaires emit 393 million tonnes of CO2e each year – the equivalent of France – at an individual annual average that is a million times higher than someone in the bottom 90 percent of humanity.
  That is to say, if you multiply the emissions of the gasoline sold by ExxonMobil by whatever percentage of ExxonMobile that's in Bill Gate's portfolio, you get an absolutely ridiculous emissions number.
  But that seems to assume that if it weren't for those dastardly billionaires investing in oil companies, we'd all be living in 10-minute cities with incredible subways connected by high speed rail, powered entirely by renewables, and heated by geothermal heat pumps. And I honestly don't beleive that.
- well well well
The meme is about saving oxygen, not reducing CO² emissions.
- Which is even further off because that's not the problem.
- Interestingly, every CO^{2 molecule consumed 2 oxygen molecules from the atmosphere. CO}2 emissions are the cause of the loss of oxygen.
I kind of appreciate your sourcing. The same citation is used by many, without disclosure.
Ayy, you had me at "killing 34k high-profile megacorp executives". 🤌🏼 Got a newsletter?
Planting 20 million trees wouldn't have much of an effect on the climate. Definitely not for the next 10 years.
- Hemp/ Cannibis/ Marijuana are the best crops for carbon capture. Not only do they store 80%+ of the carbon in their roots, one acre of hemp will capture 10 times the amount of carbon as one acre of trees, provided the hemp is harvested at least once a year, and the roots are stored at the bottom of the ocean or something. You can harvest that acre up to 4 times a year in some parts of the world, and hemp can be used for food, fuel, clothing, rope, paper, shelter, concrete, and a ton of other stuff.

There's no need to kill anyone. As our climate collapses, that'll start to happen on its own

Yeah but the people that will be dying won’t be the ones with the biggest carbon footprints. It’ll be climate migrants from underdeveloped areas or island nations.
That’s the saddest part.
A lot of it won't happen on its own though. While direct deaths from climate-related things (floods, fires, wet bulb events, whatever) will happen, you can bet your ass that there'll be a lot of murderizing too.
- Business as usual
Or....
We could kill the people who are not only directly responsible for, but who are actively refusing to stop the climate collapse because they want to keep making money and lording over us all from their super yachts (after giving them the opportunity to surrender their wealth for redistribution and stop their exploitation of course, which they will refuse), and actually have a realistic chance of stopping it.
- Go after who you want, but the climate yacht has sailed. Drop it to zero tomorrow and we are still toast.

You are talking about the average ppl. Probably 10 billionaires would have the same impact.

Or 100 westerners.
- What's going on with these comments. Is it tankies or campists?

Israel's new propaganda wave: "We're just environmentalists."

Killing one or two people would have a substantially bigger impact if you get the right one or two people. So if you're gonna, choose wisely

This is the eugenicist's dilemma. You very rarely meet one who would advocate euthanizing themselves.
- Probably because killing me has zero affect vs killing billionaires.
Sort by net worth descending and go from the top
I'm just going to leave this here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheWorld%27sBillionaires

Or kill a billionaire

What about a billion which includes all billionaires
- Do we have a billion billionaires? I don't think so.

Trees are actually oxygen neutral for most of their lives, their main purpose is in sequestering carbon.

Contraception is the morally ok way.

But it would significantly reduce all waste and carbon as well!

Remember: we don't have a lack of oxygen, we have a surplus of Greenhouse Gases and trash... So less humans is the way to go...

Even if we planted a trillion trees it would only have a tiny affect on climate change. Same with killing large amounts of people. The only way we combat climate change effectively is getting off fossil fuels.

It's disturbing that so many think that just more trees is the solution. It really shows how dumb and ignorant most people are.

To take it seriously:
No it wouldn't; time exists.

Are we concerned about the amount of oxygen available now?

Well it did cause the first and largest mass extinction event so far......
- Sure but anthropogenic climate change is an issue of greenhouse gas accumulation rather than a lack of oxygen, no? Rather than there being too many people literally just using too much oxygen.
Photosynthesis by ocean-dwelling cyanobacteria produces around 1/3rd of oxygen IIRC. CO2 causes ocean acidification which reduces their ability to grow, thus limiting O2 production. When it is hotter, plants ability to store carbon and photosynthesise goes down. So not right now, but O2 will be cause for concern in the future if we don't turn away from fossil fuels.
- Thanks, I'd never really considered the impacts climate change would have on oxygen. I looked into this a bit and it seems to also be the case that rising ocean temperatures also reduce the capacity of the water to hold dissolved oxygen, which causes a nasty feedback loop.
  So while there's not an immediate risk of atmospheric oxygen concentration dropping by any significant amount, there is a real concern of oxygen concentrations in the oceans dropping pretty drastically. This then accelerates climate change even further and could have longer term effects on atmospheric levels as well.

Good Guy Putin sending waves of Russians to die in Ukraine was just trying to help the environment all along.

CIA operative John Clark forms a top-secret international counterterrorist organization known as Rainbow. Formed to combat the proliferation of formerly state-sponsored terrorist groups gone rogue after the Cold War, and based in Hereford, England, Rainbow consists of two operational squad-sized teams of elite special forces soldiers from NATO countries, supplemented by intelligence and technology experts from the FBI, MI6, and Mossad. Clark serves as Rainbow's commanding officer (callsign "Rainbow Six"), SAS officer Alistair Stanley serves as their second-in-command, and Clark's son-in-law Domingo Chavez leads Team-2.

In their first deployment, Team-2 rescues hostages during a bank robbery in Bern, Switzerland. Several weeks later, they are deployed to Austria, where German left-wing terrorists have taken over the schloss of a wealthy Austrian businessman to obtain (nonexistent) "special access codes" to the international trading markets. They are later deployed to the Worldpark amusement park in Spain, where Basque revolutionaries have taken a group of children hostage and demand that various prisoners, including Carlos the Jackal, be released.

Clark and his colleagues become suspicious about the sudden rise in terrorist attacks. Unbeknownst to them, the attacks are part of an intricate plan to wipe out nearly all of humanity, codenamed "the Project". Dr. John Brightling, a staunch radical environmentalist who heads a biotechnology firm called the Horizon Corporation, ordered the attacks through ex-KGB officer Dmitriy Popov to raise concerns of terrorism, allowing co-conspirator Bill Henriksen's security firm Global Security to land a key contract for the Olympic Games in Sydney, Australia. Henriksen would then ensure the release of "Shiva"—a manmade Ebola biological agent more deadly than the one that spread a year prior, developed by Horizon and tested on kidnapped human test subjects—through the fog-cooling system of Stadium Australia, infecting almost everyone present, who would then return to their home countries, spreading Shiva across the world. The resulting pandemic would kill countless people, during which Horizon would distribute a "vaccine"—actually a slow-acting version of Shiva—ensuring the deaths of the rest of the world's population. Brightling's "chosen few", having been provided with the real vaccine, would then inherit the emptied world, justifying their genocidal actions as "saving the world" from the environmentally-destructive nature of humanity.

Popov discovers the existence of Rainbow as he reviews the "police tactical teams" (actually Rainbow in disguise) that responded to his attacks, and brings it to Brightling's attention. Brightling and Henriksen order Popov to orchestrate an attack on Rainbow to prevent them from being deployed to the Sydney Olympics. Popov persuades a team of breakaway drug-dealing Provisional Irish Republican Army militants to attack a hospital near Rainbow's base and capture Clark and Chavez's wives, who work there as a nurse and a doctor respectively. When Rainbow arrives, a team of IRA militants ambush them, killing two Team-1 troopers and injuring several others, including Stanley. Despite sustaining their first-ever losses, Rainbow manages to repel the ambush, retake the hospital without further casualties, and capture some of the militants. Using trickery to interrogate the captured militants, Clark and Chavez learn of Popov's involvement, while Brightling evacuates Popov to Horizon's OLYMPUS facility in Kansas.

However, this turns out to be a fatal miscalculation: Popov was unaware of the genocidal plans of his employers, but the people at OLYMPUS talk openly about them. Learning the truth about the Project, Popov, appalled by what he had unknowingly assisted, escapes and reveals his knowledge to Clark and the FBI, who were already investigating the kidnappings of the Shiva test subjects. Popov's warning comes just in time for Chavez and Team-2, who were deployed to the Olympics to provide security, to thwart Shiva's release at the last minute.

Their plans in shambles, Brightling and the remaining Project members flee to a smaller Horizon base in the Amazon rainforest near Manaus, Brazil. Clark personally leads Rainbow to the base, where they kill the guards, demolish the buildings, disable communications, and round up the remaining Project members. Knowing there is insufficient evidence to convict them and that they would just restart their plans if freed, Clark instead has the survivors stripped naked and left to fend for themselves in the jungle, taunting them to "reconnect with nature".

Six months later, Chavez reads news articles about Popov (who was pardoned in exchange for his information) discovering a gold deposit on a Project member's former property, and Horizon's revolutionary medical breakthroughs under new management. Chavez asks if the Project members survived; Clark informs him that no human activity has been detected in the area since, and remarks that nature does not distinguish between friends and enemies. Wondering who humanity's natural enemy must be, Chavez determines it must be humanity itself.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of this

Climate Refugee is confused!

It saved oxygen in it's confusion.

Sure, but what about killing all people? That's where we're heading, and a lot of people are choosing to help with that. (I'm not saying that makes it ok, just asking for the fun of it).

Why are there so many sig figs in the amount of people killed vs. the trees planted?

The humans number was probably converted from metric.

Don’t give tankies and the far right any ideas

It's fine, the far right doesn't believe in climate change and tankies can't find their way out of their basement.
- Or as they would call it: their "reeducation chamber"