Shout-out to Grayjay
Grayjay - Follow Creators, Not Platforms
Quick shout-out to Grayjay: An app to watch videos on any platform - reducing the power of individual services. The Software is open-source and can be found here: https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay
I will test this out for myself and hope someone here finds this useful.
What's wrong with the FUTO license?
AFAICT, the only restrictions are you cannot make money off it, and you can't pretend to be the official app. Very similar to the Mozilla license, although Mozilla's has some extra bits to be compliant with releasing on the App Store, which has its own licensing requirements that is not met by any version of the GPL
App looks legitimately amazing. Seems a bit buggy in alpha but I'm sure it'll be ironed out. I just hope they look into supporting Piped instead of directly connecting to YouTube, as well as SponsorBlock. Once they get those 2 things and iron out some of the bugs, I'll primarily use it for sure. Its a great concept.
Wouldn't interacting through Piped just introduce an additional communication layer, which makes interacting with YT slower? I see your argument with Piped, but what would be the pros of using Piped which outweighs the additional communication costs?
The app supports plugins for other platforms with development docs coming that I don't think are out yet. So if they don't add it someone else certainly can
I wish somewhere on their site or anywhere in that description they'd say "Android App".
I was a little disappointed as an iOS user browsing their site trying to find the iOS App Store link 😬.
Edit: I appreciate the advice to switch to Android but I really wasn't asking. 😅
Apple actively sabotages projects like this one. You're using the wrong phone.
Silly apple user you don't get to have good apps
All you can hope is that some day they are forced to support 3rd party apps because of some anti monopoly lawsuit telling them they have too.
But good luck with that, Apple is very powerful and can probably just buy out the right lawyers and judges in that situation.
Or if they were forced to it would have an Apple twist on it like they get to approve the 3rd party app stores that are allowed or something.
Just get an Android phone you can put a custom ROM on and you'll have a very good experience.
All you can hope is that some day they are forced to support 3rd party apps because of some anti monopoly lawsuit telling them they have too.
I'm not sure if you are aware already but the reason Epic are announcing a million changes to their business is that the previous business plan was based around them successfully throwing a fortune at suing Apple to force them to support 3rd party apps and they tried and failed.
I think if it were ever going to happen that way, Epic would have succeeded.
That's not to say it won't still happen one day through political means. Seems plausible the EU might force it at some stage.
use yattee
Louis Rossmann is based AF
Downloaded it and tried it. It's awesome. It blows invidious and newpipe out of the water. Plus it includes my nebula subscriptions in with my YouTube subscriptions.
Do you know if it sends back watch data to the platforms? I pay for Nebula to support the folks I watch, so wouldn't want to lose out on that.
I know there is an option for that on the YouTube settings, not sure about nebula though.
Nebula is beta, hopefully it gets support for sending back watch stats and saving watch progress 🙏
I see they have something similar for YouTube already, where you can enable/disable anonymity (using your google account for requests VS anonymous requests), and enable/disable saving watch history to your linked Google account
A shame it is not available for iOS (at least I can see).
Apple actively sabotages these kinds of projects. You're on the wrong device.
Louis says somewhere in a comment on the presentation video that they won't have (at least for the time being) an iOS app because Apple wouldn't allow it in the Store, so there's that.
Really enjoying it so far
Not FOSS. So I don't really trust it
Software simply being FOSS does not equal trust. It never has, and never should.
A free program certainly doesn't make it trustworthy.
edit: as pointed out, free stands for liberty to do as you please, not the financial definition. With that in mind, I definitely wouldn't call Grayjoy FOSS due to the license. I like my made up classification, but maybe this would work better; ROSS, "restricted open source software."
An open source program doesn't make it trustworthy. Unless you vet the program yourself you can never be 100% trusting.
For most of us, we're trusting the smaller community of people who actually go through the code for us. We don't trust individual pieces of FOSS, we trust the FOSS community and recognize that a developer is less likely to place malicious software in the code. However, it's also much easier for a malicious 3rd party to fork the program and infect the code.
I'm confident that anything FUTO puts out is going to be heavily looked over by all the Louis haters and fanboys - if they're up to something shady, we'll hear about it.
This particular software is what I'd call Open Source Donation Ware (OSDW)
"please pay us but we aren't checking if you do. Here's the code, if you want you could copy it and remove the payment all together. However, we retain the legal right to destroy any fork that adds spy/malware."
As a model, I can respect it. It's a good medium between releasing the program to the wild and being closed source. It's also a good model for making money for their work, pretty much like winrar's approach (rip now that windows is finally getting native .rar support). Yes, some programs are more subtle with a little coffee cup button, but as long as it doesn't constantly nag you, I'm okay with a more prominent 'donation' button.
I would like to point out that free in FOSS doesn't mean free as in gratis. It means free as in libre, means independent. Open source independent software. And I trust no software that isn't truly FOSS as a personal principle. I don't care if it's FUTO, Louis or even goddamn Facebook. Not open? No go. I will stick to Foss alternatives
What exactly do you mean by "trust", here? Yes, it's not fully FOSS, and I do understand why you wouldn't like or use it because of that, but you can still verify the code, compile it yourself and build and run it with your own modifications, so how would being fully FOSS make you trust it more?
Not sure what part of a free YT+ frontend that doesn't require permissions or an account you don't trust, but the reason is they don't want people to fork it freely and spread a version with malware, like happened to NewPipe.
I understand the reasoning, but I disagree that it's an effective solution, or if it was, that it'd be worth what you're giving up.
where did you find that gitlab link? it isn't linked from the project website; looking at the website i would assume it isn't free software.
edit: oh, i see it isn't actually free software after all, it is under source 'source visible' proprietary license. 🥱
It isn't free however they are very clear that they make no effort to make you pay for it. IE the app works whether you pay or not and they aren't planning to change that. It's not free in the same way WinRAR isn't free. Here's the announcement video from Louis Rossman where he talks about that. https://youtu.be/5DePDzfyWkw?si=KuNumtHUrtW_kHSC
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/5DePDzfyWkw?si=KuNumtHUrtW_kHSC
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
yes, as i said, it is not free software.
it is also not open source software.
hey @ToxicWaste@lemm.ee can you please edit your post to remove the inaccurate statement "The Software is open-source"? you could say it is "source-visible software" or some other 🤡 term, but "open source" has a definition and this software's license aint it.
I literally just watched the video from Louis Rossman, and came straight here. Pleased to see everyone already talking about it!
I watched a bunch of that too but what was a little concerning to me was holding up Destiny as an example of a good use case for the service. There's a reason Destiny keeps getting banned from every platform he touches. Putting him up front and center makes me wonder if they have a plan to deal with problematic people (like Destiny). Are they just going to the up hosting white supremacists and Neonazis? That's not really a (meta)platform i want to support.
The app looks cool, but why did you post this in c/privacy? Does this have some extra privacy related features?
It excludes trackers from apps like YT, Twitch etc, so there is an argument to be made
Exactly this. Bonus points: this time privacy is more convenient than the native apps.
I think this looks awesome. Curious if it will be added to F-Droid?
It's not open source. It's only source available.
I tried to import my subscription from YouTube to the app but I got rate limited due to the large amount of channels. Is there a way around it?
You'll probably want to report that to the devs. It is in alpha so there is a lot to add, fix, and tweak.
I did report it just making sure I haven't miss anything. Pretty excited about the app
Also happened to me.
Also now the rate limit applied for a while to newpipe as well. Kind of unfortunate that until they fix it it's not a very useful app.
it's on their site when you click download .. or go to the bottom of the page.
Can we get via Obtanium?
Sure, but it can also update itself.
If only it didn't require you to have a new phone to run it. (Minimum Android 10)
I find it strange that they immediately called it a "better ReVanced", when apart from the feed thing it doesn't have nearly as many features as ReVanced.
Has anyone come up with an actual reason to switch? Because I have a feeling ReVanced is still better?
Can you import from a newpipe backup?
No, only from an existing YouTube account
Since they encourage ppl to write plugins, hopefully someone will write an import feature.
Sadly no iOS or Desktop app :/
A desktop app would be nice, but I wouldn't count on an IOS app, because I'm pretty sure this violates app store policies.
But it is an alpha so there's still the chance they could make a desktop app later.
amazed at the number of upvotes considering this software's aim is to specifically combat de-platforming of creators, a practice that is by and large supported by the fake progressive community making up the majority on lemmy.
You clearly have no idea what it is
It's viewable source, the license does not allow modification and distribution of the modifications. The license also reserves the right to be revoked at any time.
It's source available, but it is not what most people would consider open source in the common usage.
Exactly. Beware of the inevitable enshittification down the line. Once they have the market share, they have no reason not to close their source
Futo (the organisation developing this app) appears to be a tech billionaire (Eron Wolf) firing his money at the tech industry until it stops being so shit.
This is from the about page on their website:
(From: https://futo.org/what-is-futo/)
What they say and what they will do could of course differ but they do go to great pains to paint themselves as fundamentally opposed to be sort of action you are worried about.
I trust Louis Rossman not to do that. He explained the only reason for the current license is to prevent people forking the app and putting it on the Play store with ads
He says in the video on yt that you can fork it and modify it however you want for personal use no problem. You just can't make money distributing it I think.
So basically no chance of it coming to iOS. Given that even open source apps have options to purchase donations in the iOS app, cause developers can’t eat gratitude
He says in the video it is this way so they can legally pursue forks with malware and advertisements.
Youtube fails to fight its clones and you think they will succeed? It's only disuasive
I see where you are coming from. Still i would argue that it is open source, since it is open for everyone to see.
The explanation for this more restrictive license was that they want to prevent what happened to newpipe. Some ppl repackaged newpipe with additional crap, put ads on it etc. They want to have the legal geounds to combat these things.
While I don't think, they would go against me for forking it and tweaking things here and there - they have the legal ground to do so...
Their license allows you to modify it, just not to distribute your modifications. For now.
By the strictest technical definition of the term open source I agree with you.
But in the cultural zeitgeist it is not open source and that it can't be used by other projects, people can't tinker with it and improve it downstream, if this company goes out of business the source code dies with it. At least legally.
The Microsoft Windows source code is available, if you sign an NDA, and it's been leaked a couple times online. So if you really want to, Microsoft Windows is source available with some hurdles. But I wouldn't consider it open source - mostly because it cannot contribute to the ecosystem evolving.
You are mistaken. Please read The Open Source Definition and the Open-source software wikipedia article, and then kindly edit your post to remove the inaccurate statement "The Software is open-source".