‘We can’t confuse Hamas with all Palestinians’: Spain says amid aid review

Really makes you think about why Hamas is so radicalized, doesn't it? It's not like you can pull a Muslim out of a hat and radicalize them. People in a stable, healthy, and fair socioeconomic position do not see violence as an answer. People who live under constant oppression, inequality, and fear do.
- And the irony is that Israel allowed Hamas to be funded by Arabic countries 25 years ago when it was a way to weaken Arafat and the PLO. Everything in this area is fucked beyond parody. No authority on either side has any idea about morality.
- People who live under constant oppression, inequality, and fear do.
  Having a religion that claims that you're the greatest people on this planet helps.
  edit You guys think that it doesn't help, or that Abrahamic religions aren't saying that? Help me understand.
- I don't give a shit personally. Dont fucking murder and kidnap civilians. There isn't a justification
Also, about half of Israel's jewish citizens = secular people who want peace
It seems to be the ultra-religious on both sides that are constantly making things worse.
What makes the problem hard is that there are a lot of dickheads on both sides, not just the governments. You can be an oppressed victim AND a dick. These things are not mutually exclusive, unfortunately.
- Plus Israel's dickery gets blind support from America. I'd guess if the Americans demanded actual concessions from Israel this would no longer be a problem, they'd have two states already. As it is, they have every economic and political incentive to just squeeze the Palestinians harder.
Isreali citizens = also victims, although much less abused and arguably somewhat complicit if they immigrated.
- This part always makes me feel ambivalent about the Israelites in the conflict. Israeli citizens are complicit victims, and that's a contradiction but it's also true. Civilians are getting hurt and dying and that's not okay. However those same Israeli citizens are also supporting a basically genocidal government. Thousands of guidanceless rockets were fired at Isreal, are they expected not to respond? Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been victimized for their entire lives, are they expected not to respond?
- Looks like some self proclaimed centrists felt triggered by this lmao

It's been 17 years since the last election. Assuming only 18 and up could vote, that means only people current around 34 and up could vote. So the bulk of Palestinians didn't even have a chance to vote in that election. Not to mention that they were given the choice between a corrupt faction (Fatah) and a possible less corrupt faction (Hamas).

I am so afraid this message is getting lost. There has been a deliberate push to paint this latest incident to be the reason that neighborhoods had to be flattened and civilians slaughtered.
why can't they hold elections?
- Conveniently, the Palestinian government is denying all citizens the right to vote because those who live in Jerusalem would not be included. It helps Hamas keep power while pinning blame elsewhere.
  They scheduled one for last year to get on Biden's good side, but that never happened.
  https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/1/27/palestinian-elections-democracy-for-no-one
- They can. They won't.
  Either they're just undemocratic, or they know that the results of elections wouldn't be what they want them to be.
- Because Abbas is a lying, snivelling turd who pretends to care about his people.
- Presumably because they are busy planning funerals for their children
By not revolting against Hamas, they are actively supporting them.
You're either with our against the terrorists. There's no in-between.
- By not actively revolting all of America was responsible for Abu Ghraib?
- Hamas sucks, I wish they were never allowed to assume any power. But if Hamas doesn't control the water, electricity, food, currency, internet, or borders in Gaza; who should the Palestinians revolt against?
- You do know what a false dichotomy is, right?
- Which terrorists? The Israeli ones or the Palestinian ones?

Here here. At least somebody has some fucking balls. Perhaps because it's not a mess they created.

Hear, hear, not here, here.
- Quite write, my mistake.

Go Spain.

Haven’t surveys shown that a majority of Palestinians support Hamas?

Sure but you try being killed and kicked out of your homes. I'm sure you would not like the people who are doing it either. Israel has created this mess.
- People forget Israel is the one with the power and creating this issue. If Israel actually backs off and treats Palestine as at least human, then I think (and hope) most people will see that Hamas needs to be destroyed as they are a terrorist group.
Hamas kills anyone who doesn't bow to them, including Palestinians.
I mean if you live in a country controlled by a terrorist group that kills anyone who is not their side, and someone goes to your door and asks if you support them... What would you say?
It's easy to dismiss this issue by thinking they have the same freedom of speech as we do in the west, and they can have political opinions without any repercussion.
Same can be said about north Korea.
- https://hexbear.net/comment/4080366
Hamas is the only group in this world standing up for the Palestinian people, so I would support them too, we're I locked up in that open air prison, my family and friends being constantly murdered for profit.
- Beheading 40 babies to stand up for their people 😎
Yes, we must understand that not only do Gazan Palestinians as a majority support Hamas, but Hamas is a force for good and they are correct for doing so. Sure, after decolonization, start fighting for a better representative, but for now Hamas is the best shot they have at not being genocided.
This same framework is used every time there is a broad movement which chooses, with good reason, for a strong group which can accomplish their goals. "Socialism is fine but Stalin did it bad" but then the purity fetish prevents the original goal from ever being achieved. Don't bother convincing people socialism is good but Stalin bad. No Stalin is good and so I socialism.
- the best shot they have at not being genocided
  Stalin is good
  You should go to the olympic games in paris next year, you could probably win a lot of gold medals with these mind gymnastics
I think elections showed Vladimir Putin won with >90% of the vote.
Kim Jong Un also seems to enjoy the support of his people.
- Kim Jong-un is popular because he's great. Don't compare him to fuckers like Putin.

Way to support literal terrorists.
I guess it's ok to violent attack someone for not upholding to the same religious standards as you do?
Pathetic piece of shit you are, you know that?
- religious standards
  The previous leader of the PLO, was married to a Palestinian Christian. The issue is not religion, it's settler colonialism by Israel.
  Hamas was funded by Netanyahu and Mossad btw to stop the formation of a Palestinian state.
If by "done more" you mean "gotten civilians killed" and by "aid" you mean "militant religious zealotry", then you're absolutely correct. Otherwise, eat a dick you terrorist bootlicker goon.
- He does actually specify the EU tbh. Is he wrong?

Hamas have done more for Palestine than anything the EU has ever done

Hamas has supporters because they are the only one who fight. If tomorrow, Hamas disappears, there will be another group that Palestinians would support and another and another until there are no reasons for the Palestinians to resist
you don't need to like them or anything (this is not liberalism and freedom of association is not real), our morals or opinions can't stop the mechanism that is taking place in the place
- Palestinian politics is also very heavily influenced by which group is getting external support and aid

Is Spain offering asylum to Palestinians? Because that's the only thing that will help those people.

They have to be able to leave Gaza in order to receive asylum.
Gaza is pretty much an open air prison that you can't really leave all that easily.

extremely rare Spain W

Death to America

Death to America
lol someone just turned 13, wow.
Fuck West Taiwan!

The mass downvoting on comments on this thread shows that the Islamophobes are brigading.

There is literally nothing to disagree with, other than if you object to Muslim/Palestinian people existing.

They did.
Some of them were wearing IDF uniforms :|

We sure confused the Nazi Party with all Germans back in 1940s though. How many Palestinian uprising or public demonstrations against Hamas has there been in the last 50 years? In anywhere?

Palestinian refugees in Europe were reported as being ecstatic about the massacres, with only worry being that Israel might strike back.

Palestine is done. The best future for them would be to leave the area, as this Tildes comment sagely suggests: https://tildes.net/~news/1b5i/israel_gaza_conflict_discussion_thread#comment-auq4

Hamas came in power in 2006(17 years ago).
- Good point. And it was founded in 1985. So perhaps last 30 years.

We must demise EU. Go back to our sovereignty. This institution is not serving us. UA war has exacerbated racism, now this wildcard given to the zionist entity is even more disgusting.

Spoken like someone who has never faced a day of adversity in their entire life.
- spoken like someone who has never had religious nutjobs take over their government.
- Actually the big forces carving out lands for them completely irresponsibly like they're all the same has doomed them to be in a state of war for as long as they exist.
  Religion exacarbates the problem and creates extremism but violence would very well exist without it.

Oh but we can. Oh but we will.

The last bit of sympathy the west had for Muslims vanished after 9/11. The US helped them out as much as it benefited them in Afghanistan against the Russians, and we had a last hurrah for Kosovo when they were being massacred by the Serbs.

But that's gone now. You've gone from slightly insular neighbours, to terrifying beardy men with hooks for hands who hate our way of life. That's Bin Laden's legacy.

Western support for Israel is far from unanimous, but our indifference to Palestine is. Israel could bomb Gaza to dust and bulldoze it into the sea, and at this point the most you'll hear from us is a stern "steady on lads".

I don’t know who exactly the “we” and “you” are referring to in your comment. But the Irish have been long been supporters of the Palestinian people no doubt due to their experience during the Troubles. I’d say the British people (not necessarily the government) support Palestine too. My brother has been to a number of pro-Palestine marches in the UK before this latest escalation of violence.
Speak for yourself.