We should rename Solar to Patriot Power to make it palatable to the right
The Left is doing it wrong.
We need to stop calling it the green New Deal; and call it the Patriot Power Act.
We’re not trying to go green or “Woke”. No! We’re making ’Merca energy independent! We’ll stop importing oil from the tourist countries! And be energy self sufficient!
—BRANDING!!
Or....stop defining everything as left/right and make things for people. Stop the divide, it's what 'they' want.
Yes. I was amazed that anyone was able to make a vaccine political.
And some of the other kookiness from Qanon and similar really makes me wonder about the mental health of the general public.
It’s when I started looking for answers on mass psychosis. I’m still unclear on the how.
I was in Barnes and noble today and there’s a whole bookshelf in the new non-fiction section from a bunch of conservative personalities with crazy books about trusting Q, knowing how to believe in Q, how Biden has ruined America but trump will return and save us, all sorts of delusional shit.
The mental capacity of the general public has always been poor because there are some extremely dumb and gullible skewing it from just basic people, these grifters selling these delusional books and ideas is what’s making this worse. Being allowed to call your political opponents demons and saying your leaders are all chosen by god on high should be banned in political discourse
That is just not how it works. I wish it was, but someone will always make literally whatever political
As long as money can control politics it will. Post scarcity might fix it someday, but so many things have to happen before then—that will disadvantage vested interests—that it’s hard to imagine humanity making it there.
Need to get rid of first past the post voting. It incentives two polarized parties. Maybe ranked choice instead?
Online, there's always this division and blame on either the left or right. In my real life experience amongst friends, people are more willing to have a normal conversation about different opinions without all the outrage like I see online.
Well the unfortunate part of that is it isn't working and a solid 30% of the population will just call you 'woke' and ignore you for saying it.
Stop the divide, it's what 'they' want.
You're sending some conflicting signals, my Mac
Companies are not people, so no...I'm not.
Political agendas are also not human, so again I'm still not.
You're one of those that love to cause divide.
Was that an us-and-them argument against us-and-them arguments?
That sounds nice but, much like the name for these bills, it's not reality.
Who’s they?
And we can call wind farms, "Jesus Farms!"
It’s those libtards and their hot air. Let’s use that nonsense to power good old ‘Murican homes and factories
minecraft 1.20.1 java edition vanilla Jesus farm (75 jesus/h)
The sun of god
Democrats suck at branding.
Private companies do not, though: https://www.sempersolaris.com/
Veteran owned, uses made in America parts, offers military discounts and they have a program where they do free installs for struggling vets.
Their tagine is "declare your independence from the power company"
I interviewed for a job with them once and they actually sounded very competent too
Maybe they're good at branding, but they suck at marketing.
If your product exists, fills a niche, solves a problem, and is the right price, but no one is buying it, then you suck at marketing.
Or the niche is too small
Patriot Power is real, and it really sucks. It's the solar power offerings through 4Patriots, weak-ass off-brand Chinese batteries & weak, overpriced solar panels. The only good things 4Patriots offers is survival food & sun kettles.
There are plenty of people on the right who would love energy independence, but problems include cost, infrastructure, and implementation. I'm team solar panel/nuclear power, but every few years...the solar panel tech gets way better than it EVER was. So when is the right time to plunk down tens of thousands of dollars?? It's just now starting to get really good.
Wind turbines are also getting much better. And it's about damn time.
The biggest financial problem is energy storage solutions, spend $5-10K per battery, and have it lose 40% of its effectiveness after 5 years?? Yeah, no thanks, I'm not an idiot.
But we're coming up with (ACTUAL, WORKING, COST-EFFECTIVE) solutions for that problem, too. Sand, gravity, and waterfall batteries.
All this to say, the technology is just now starting to get serious traction & legs under it. ¯°_o)/¯ It's not ready...until it's ready. The 'greenest' things we can do, right now, involve reducing our usage & upping our efficiencies (via new windows/doors, insulation). That's the smart money.
I just heard about gravity "batteries" that involve lifting concrete blocks to store potential energy, then dropping them to generate electricity with a turbine. It's probably the most interesting thing I've heard of in a while and such a clever way to store energy without needing a battery.
The math doesn't really work out for gravity batteries. A fifteen ton block dropping 100 feet releases about a kwh of energy.
Or you could just have $150 worth of lithium batteries.
Yes. And it works.
It's called a Dam.
The catch is we spend 0 energy on the upstream water.
Timberborn has those, it's a city builder game with beavers.
there are plenty issues with wear of all moving parts involved. fortunately it can be improved on in a pretty straightforward way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGGOjD_OtAM
Energy storage is THE issue…. You want to be a billionaire? Figure that out.
Pumped hydro, is great, but there are very few places where it is feasible
The government used to invest in such things for their citizens but I guess a well-educated, fed, homed citizenry isn’t considered a good roi anymore, not to mention adequately staffed public care facilities. Yes i know i heard about what Biden and nursing homes. Funny thing is, that was the norm thirty years ago, and restaurant employees got a free meal. If they worked a shift and other things we don’t have anymore, because regulation is Satan and fu they got theirs, and the dollar went further. I keep seeing blaring ads about government assistance for solar panels but they seem sus.
Maybe see what you find online, but will you be charged for not using your energy provider?
So here's the deal, in a nutshell:
I'm afraid if I "go public" with my goddamn private solar energy setup, AKA I opt into a grid tie-in deal where I feed my excess electric back into the grid, I pay extra for setup. And IIRC my electric provider charges monthly for the "privilege" of tie-in. And these are just the devils we know about! I take the money, I subject my system & my property to scrutiny from third party companies & my state, who knows what stupid shit they might come up with & force onto me.
The best, simplest, cleanest solution I can think of is to privately install enough renewable energy to power my home. And a robust energy storage system that can power my needs when the sun isn't shining, wind isn't blowing, etc.
IIRC my electric provider charges $10 or $20, monthly, whether you use their electric or not. <=$240 annually? I call that a small price to pay for energy independence with the insurance of an established electric provider able to take over if system(s) fail.
Alternatively, if renewable energy production/STORAGE options become better & more reasonable in cost, just overbuild like hell & go fully off-grid. Discontinue electric service. ¯(ツ)_/¯ It's tempting...had a blackout just last night. 😂
Forgot to address the gov assist stuff, it's legit actually, but it's not exactly the boon normies think it is. So you buy & install solar, with evidence, you document everything & jump through all their little hoops. When you meet their requirements, you're given a 30% or whatever 'credit' on your federal income taxes. Which isn't exactly free money, but it's better than a kick in the head & it's rewarding you for going solar.
Now you wanna talk fucking sus??? All those third-party solar installers, namely, those that "will install for free" or "costs you nothing out of pocket 🤗". Those guys are sus as all hell. They're predatory, they're not trying to help you! Only enrich themselves. Again, IIRC, sometimes they take your gov't tax credit money somehow. And/or they charge you monthly, or they take money/power you generate via the solar panels...I don't trust any of it; you're inviting random-ass people onto your property & they're installing thousands of dollars in gear you don't technically own, and you're pressing your property into servitude until it's "paid off" in 10, 15, 20 years. Don't do it. Buy it, own it, get all the benefits for yourself.
but do you need stored large amounts of electric energy? most of energy use is in form of heat for space heating and hot water, and for storage of that all you need is big barrel with multiple heat exchangers (coiled pipes + baffles). put in heat from solar concentrators, heat pump maybe, furnace and you're good in all situations
problems only really begin if you want to start up welder on cold winter night
other than that, generate energy from solar + wind turbine, top up battery, dump excess in heat pump or water heater. have small petrol generator to service surge capabilities. this will be enough in majority of cases. this is also the logic national energy grids operate on, with the difference that you can't set up pumped hydro storage in your backyard, most of the time
problems only really begin if you want to start up welder on cold winter night
or try to cook dinner on your induction stove. A good hot water storage should reduce the need for electrical power storage but won't eliminate it
when is the right time to plunk down tens of thousands of dollars??
Yesterday
Immigrants don't want you to have solar power. Especially brown people. I bet you can't even fit a solar panel on your emotional support vehicle.
Solar power makes you indepenent. Obama can't shut off your electricity during jade helm 2 if you produce it yourself.
Plus, coal plants are putting chemicals into the air to feminize and chemically lobotomize alpha males.
Has anyone noticed how the total population of trans people tracks almost perfectly with adoption of industrialized economies? There must be a connection.
They already kinda do that, at least in my area. There's a company that advertises on AM radio called Semper Solaris and they go hard on the support the troops/vets angle with their sales pitch. It's pretty cringe, but it must work because they keep their advertisements running pretty much every commercial break. Not that you need to try very hard to convince a Californian to get solar panels installed on their roof. "Make the sun pay your entire electric bill" is also pretty effective advertising.
You just have to tell them oil is dug up by brown people and solar is made by white people.
I'm sure they can think up a new name for it themselves...
White po--
Almost got me there...
We can take it further... Light comes from the heavens, the domain of the lord almighty. Oil comes from the depths of hell on earth, domain of the devil. Do the right thing Christians, just like you always have, support the anti-devil white people solar power alliance.
Seriously though, the German liberal party (FDP) has dubbed renewable energy “freedom energy”.
Einigkeit und Recht und Photovoltaik.
Would absolutely work in USA.
The word patriot is like a button for mind control.
Do the same for wind power, tell em the blades only kill immigrant birds or something.
It's true. I hear those geese didn't get a visa when they came here from Canada.
You don’t remember “Drill baby, drill?”
The issue isn't in the name. The issue is that a lot of people just don't even want to know what any of this is, and blindly voting for something is bad, no matter how you look at it.
Screaming "woke" at everything is a cultural/educational issue, so I'd rather see resources being spent on that
Or enslaved sunrays maybe?
Pre-biological fossil fuels?
Those sunrays had it coming
I'm pretty sure I've seen "Patriot" type branding for massive battery backups targeting preppers.
For sure, I got one from a family member, the solar panel only put out 15W with no load drawn. The battery was pinched in the casing as well. I was surprised to see it did have proper voltage protection, though.
Present “normal” person with new information: “Huh, that’s not what I heard. I’ll go check it out when I get some time.”
Republicans: “It’s a liberal plot by George Soros and the liberal MSM run by illegal aliens and that traitor Hunter Biden! Did you see what that Clinton did?!”
We do kinda need to remind people that the founders fought for freedom, fair representation and equality under the law. We are the real patriots, fighting for the same.
I.know you meant well op. <3
Thanks. Actually it was my son's idea. Watching the R debate one of the ads was for a solar batteries backup generator... And we could not stop laughing that it was the Patriots power!
How about slapping something gun-related on it, like that Black Rifle company?
Tbf, thats actually not a bad idea.
Democrats desperately need better marketing, they should hire that dude. Anyone could be doing a better job than whomever they are using.
Call it the MAPA
Make America Powerful Again
I remember when even the far majority on the right thought Freedom Fries was a stupid thing.
Right. I remember my parents being Democrat and a lot less othering. No more.
Gimme some freedom fries with my patriot panels.
Why do people have to be like this? Why can't they just accept something without it having to be labeled in terms that appeal to their sensibilities? Why can't they just be honest?
Everyone has priorities somewhere, so for some it's a matter of "looking after one's own first", truly believing that other countries/people aren't doing their part and not being willing to give their own (people's) means up when they would still suffer consequences either way.
I think a lot of it is the "fake news" thing, where the people they respect are telling them that everyone else is lying, and they believe it. Once you're in that mentality, it's almost impossible to get out of it because anyone trying to get you to leave is one of the liars. People have to try to convince themselves they are wrong, try to convince themselves the other side has the right of it and to understand the other position, but they also have to choose that path for themselves in those worst cases.
And people are 100% willing to put that childish need to defend their own ego over everything else, even their own lives and the people they claim to love.
They are willing to let themselves and other people suffer just so they can feel they are right about something.
That's what you're telling me. Right?
No hate, no vitriol, serious question.
Smartphone? Patriot Connection Device
Solar is like Brawndo, it's what plants crave
Someone's already done it https://4patriots.com/products/patriot-power-generator-1800
Call it Reagan Power
Modern repubs consider his form of conservatism outdated. It's not nearly hateful enough.
Freedom power, you can just walk outside and get bathed in freedom.
This, we need a Democrat who wears a baseball cap and "Totally gets you bro"
The smug holier than that routine is not going to work
"We should change things so those assholes will be better" boy do I have news for you!
You give them too much power.
this is not new. wearing face masks was branded as a patriotic duty all the way back during spanish flu (1918) https://www.history.com/news/1918-spanish-flu-mask-wearing-resistance
I think you're lost
i don't care what you think
Light Power! Light Power! Light Power!
Ha 🤣
Everything. Every last bit is money and appearances and appearances don’t seem to really matter much anymore either, unless you’re poor. We’re so ducked. Or more appropriately, our goose is cooked.
Call it Portable Patriot Power so people don't have to repay their loan for them.
FreedomPower
Even my Tesla and Prius driving neighbors don’t have solar panels on their roof. The math doesn’t really make sense yet for most residential installations.
Even for people with houses in locations where it makes sense, let alone those with sufficient roof space, it is a massive investment that will maybe zero-out on itself within a decade. And that's all complete speculation too
But those are just facts and you’re using logic. You’re even implying it’s a good idea when the numbers make sense.
I live in an area that’s not the greatest for solar, but it has state incentives to help encourage adoption. The argument is whether to expect payback after 12 years or after 4. I’m not planning to live in my current house in 12 years
It’s also a bit of a misdirection, because wind and solar at industrial scale are well proven to have a strong payback. There are people who don’t let their beliefs get in the way of a good business case, but there are still a very loud minority who will not believe it
reddit tier humor
I hate that you're right.
It's actually funny that we/they haven't been all about oil independence after the 70s oil embargo. More nuclear plants. Long term research into fusion, solar, battery tech. It would have been so much easier now.
The sun shines most on 'merica
PATRIOT POWER MELTS SNOWFLAKES!!!
right winger here. We love off grid solar power. We don't quite understand why the left loves the massive pollution aspect of it though. I thought you guys were anti pollution?
You assert that "the left loves the massive pollution aspect of it" and expect someone to take you seriously? I hope you are trolling, because this statement isn't very well thought out. My understanding of the majority leftist energy position is that renewables like solar are preferable to burning hydrocarbons because of a lower lifetime environmental footprint. Do you have a different understanding of how leftists think?
of course it's a troll, but it's true. Mining for material and manufacturing solar panels is incredibly dirty, and the massive water use to clean them all the time is not environmentally friendly.
By that token, America should have bullet trains everywhere
It’s our second amendment right! It’s in the Constitution! I demand bullet trains
Perfect