If I found voter irregularities in my home district do I have to hire a lawyer to prove it.? Or just let it go and the Florida Orange win?
Election Truth Alliance is already investigating claims in some areas, maybe they can help or maybe your evidence can help them.
All votes really need a numbered receipt, like a tracking number, that shows what that number voted for, and then posted publicly. This way if you think you're vote was changed you can go and look online to see if it matches how you voted...but doubt this would ever be put in place.
I don't think that's a good idea at all. Leaks happen all the time and everyone knows that a lot of those machines are compromised. If republicans know exactly who voted for who, that could be an Alligator Auschwitz trip for certain people.
The problem is, that it's either a system with checks or you get a system with no checks and potential fraud.
This would still be anonymous, you vote, it prints out a ticket number just for you not assigned to anyone but the votes that have been cast. You walk out of the voting booth with a ticket that has a number assigned to the votes nothing more.
I was thinking if it's just a ballot that has a number but it's not attached to your name. I.e. if the person handing out the ballots gives you a random one and you're the only one who knows your own number. I've never used electric voting machines but maybe a randomly generated number that you can know but nobody else would know?
That's illegal in most places. Votes are anonymous specifically on purpose. Numerous people have been threatened to vote certain ways in the past all over the world. If there is no record of you specifically voting a specific choice, you can't be forced to vote a specific way. And you can't be targeted after the fact for that vote.
This is the exact use-case for a blockchain, a public immutable ledger where you can validate your vote, but nobody can tie it back to you.
the point of anonymous voting is coercion. if you can validate your vote outside of a safe polling place then someone else is able to validate how you voted and force you to vote a particular way
voting systems you need to be able to validate that your vote is submitted as you wanted (imo only paper based voting allows for this), and then that the system for counting the votes is inviolable (that’s where scrutineers come in)… again, imo that’s not something you can do electronically - or at least practically
You're forgetting about the traffic analysis and key distribution problems
Could this be done such that a person cannot prove that they voted a certain way (the source of the problems people mention, like vote selling becoming viable)?
No one seems to be understanding that your system doesn’t make who you vote for public…
Yea... I'm kinda seeing that. It's not a hard concept lol it's a paper receipt. Toss it away if you're worried about it.
That is a bad idea because now someone else can also check how you've voted. I.e. you can be coerced or threatened to vote a certain way. The current system is anonymous. You can vote X but say you voted Y and nobody can prove different.
I believe the traditional way to bring attention to suspected voting fraud is to shit your pants in front of a Four Seasons Landscaping
It’s not that I don’t believe you, but extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence. Is what you found that extraordinary?
Is there not the local election commission? How did you find it? If there's an individual, there's likely a way to report them.
You could reach out to the wronged party as even local parties have lawyers...
I think you'd be best served by doing all due diligence and proving this to be the case before approaching media. A lawyer would be if you were harmed, so if your vote was not counted, then you were harmed. There also needs to be a known plaintiff, though, so you need a lot of data for that step. You can't simply use conjecture for legal proceedings, which is why Trump lost or rendered null every case he filed in 2020.
A lawyer would be if you were harmed
A lawyer can also help guide you through the legal and procedural issues. Lawyers are not for just if you are harmed.
It would probably also help you a bit more with legitimacy, if you can get a known lawyer helping you... Cause any crank can make a claim, but a known lawyer wont risk their reputation/license/job on happenstance with little evidence.
Idk call a local news station. They will be your free lawyer.
At this point I'm fairly confident that they could find irrevocable proof that the 2024 election was a sham, and nothing would come of it.
I believe that to be correct.
Your assesment, not the result.
Doesn't mean that they shouldn't try though.
Doesn't the Congress and Election College have final say? The rest of it could be a sham, but what they say goes.
At this point that's true. Even in a stolen election the only legal way to remove the president is the impeachment process. This congress wouldn't impeach him even if he gave a daily public display of his favorite pastime on Epstein's island.
I don't know if I agree with that. I guess it depends on the Local News station. And if they're actually local.