Pope Leo's First US Bishop Calls on Priests to Escort Asylum Seekers to Court: 'People of Faith Stand with Immigrants'
Pope Leo's First US Bishop Calls on Priests to Escort Asylum Seekers to Court: 'People of Faith Stand with Immigrants'
Jesus’ family were supposedly immigrants and asylum seekers. Priests should step up. So should real christians.
Another argument for renaming the "No True Scotsman" fallacy to "No True Christian" to make it more self-explanatory.
I know that the name of the fallacy comes from an example, but I don't think I've ever heard a scotsman invoke "No True Scotsman". I've heard countless Americans invoke it though, and one side does it far more than the other.
"REAL CHRISTIANS".
They're all real christians, just some ignore the hate speech, and pretend it's not part of the religion while most don't ignore it at all. Fuck your hate religion, and the hate that it spawns.
The fascist people in charge of the deporting, the fascist militia, and the rest of the christians on the sidelines funding and supporting them - they're ALL REAL CHRISTIANS.
Stop following their hate religion. Nobody on the outside thinks you're part of anything but a hate religion, even if you have good intentions. You're surrounded by people with bad intentions, and nobody can tell you apart.
I’m an atheist. That doesn’t mean I can’t tell the difference between those who are claim to be christians and those who actually try. It’s probably 100:1 in favor of fake christians, if not more.
Christians are supposed to follow the teachings of Christ. The old testament is just context. Jesus's only extended story on what earns salvation or damnation is about the treatment of the poor, imprisoned, the sick, and foreigners.
It's literally in their Bible... This should just be standard. Not special.
Bible is like the Constitution. Some people don't read it.
Because they'd be atheists if they actually did. The ones who read it and stay Christians are just sociopaths.
Bible is like the Constitution. Some people don’t read it.
People only read what they want to take out of anything. Scientific reports, government policies, laws, philosophical essays, books, etc.
Saw it happen all the time. I use to work at the court house that was open to serve the public. We had at least 2 different signs that said "We are not City Hall. We do not do driver's license, birth certificates, passports, etc.." Without fail, people would walk in and still ask about City Hall Services. People looked at the sign and saw Driver's License, assumed that's what we did.
Catholics are discouraged from interacting directly with the Bible. Priests are supposed to be the mediators between the faithful and the doctrine.
Yep. Also Catholic official "recommended ideology of state" was distributivism last time I checked, which is something of a holy mix (can't be unholy mix in this situation) between anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-syndicalism with a conservative touch.
It has its downsides, but the upsides are that limiting immigration, legal inequality, racism and fascism are in theory not allowed there.
(Just in case someone thinks Peter Thiel and such people's ideas are what Catholic church recommends, and they surely want to make such an impression, - no.)
It’s literally in their Bible…
So it literal genocide. Committed by the supposed "good guys".
If the catholic church somehow turns into a force for good this century that would be awesome. Its weird to think they might be the adults in the room in a lot of cases.
The church is large and complex and run by many different people. It has been a force for good and evil all along.
The catholic church has been a considerable "force for good" for centuries. Whether or not the bad they do outweighs that is a question of how much value you assign to the bad things they do and how much credit you give them for good intentions.
Sure, they're anti-abortion and implicitly sexist, but they're also pro-mercy, anti-war, anti-death-penalty, and possibly the most pro-science of all theistic churches. Bishops in the USA are obnoxious right-wing partisans, but in other countries they're firmly in the local center or on the bleeding edge of the local left. (There's a reason why the first American-born pop wasn't a working priest in the USA.)
I have no idea what you’re basing this comment on.
The sins of the catholic church are many and global and as large and unforgivable as their wealth and reach and history:
From the very beginning they were antithetical to plurality - soon as they got power first order of business was the destruction of classical Hellenistic learning centres.
Then crusades, inquisitions, colonialism and forced conversions, complicit in slavery, the witch trials, and interference with politics all over the world.
Opposition to human rights, anti-science (dark ages anyone), support for dictatorships, residential school systems targeting indigenous children, and the ongoing sexual abuse crisis with institutional cover-ups.
And their worst crime of the modern era: their response to the AIDS crisis in the 1980s.
Strict opposition to condom use (in fact actively lobbied against condom distribution and sex education) even as HIV/AIDS spread globally - particularly devastating in heavily Catholic regions like sub-Saharan Africa, the Philippines, and Latin America where the Church wielded significant influence over public health policy (as they still do). Millions of infections and deaths directly attributed to this crime against humanity.
But yes, “force for good”.
Its most likely the bias I have from only knowing Americas Catholicism then. Thanks for the info!
We haven't studied rhe same History.
Many of these people in US concentration camps are catholic. The thing that's crazy is how many insane catholics like JD Vance are cheering this on.
There are a lot of people who wear the label catholic because they always have, not because they identify with other catholics or believe that the pope is the earthly voice of god.
JD Vance is a fascist white supremacist who happens to be catholic. The fascism and white supremacy being more important to him than the catholicism...
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'People of Faith Stand with Immigrants'
Yeah, I don't think "people of faith", at least the more conservative ones, are going to be taking that lesson very seriously... Good luck changing their mindset.
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The Vatican style of faith is very different from whatever has been festering in conservative America.
the only higher power conservatives believe in, even the religious ones, is fox news
close but not quite, trump is the higher power. when fox didnt 100% back january 6th and trumps mission to steal the election, many of them called to boycott fox news. If they have to choose between fox and trump they will choose trump. In reality this probably wont happen again cuz fox learned their lesson.
I have no problem with the catholic church standing on the right side of history. those kinds of American Christians already think they're superior to the pope, so what is the difference?
Good on the USB, got the religion right. You know who doesn't? People who hate their neighbours, casted stones in the capitol and know compassion only for their own.
These people pretend to be religious, because it happens to be popular with conservatives, not because they understand religion
For all it's sins the Catholic Church always took christian universalism to be incompatible with exclusionary nationalism.
Yeah and if prayer worked we wouldn't need hospitals.
What exactly is your take here lmao. The headline says nothing about prayer. It calls for actual physical action that is likely to positively impact outcomes for at least some immigrants. I personally consider this to be a huge net good, as it speaks respect and love for immigrants with a voice that a not-insignificant number of conservatives are willing to hear from. Did you just see the word "catholic" and wanna dunk on Christians?
That's the point. We're doing the heavy lifting, why do we need an invisible sky Santa? And why now? Kinda sucks if you were born 200 years ago, no? Was I supposed to pray for leeches back then? There is no god.
Time to put the security blanket away.
It's not 2014 anymore
I honestly can't see the point you're trying to make.
yeah, right. not like the pope knows anything about religion. /s
ICE won't care. They'll be fine with arresting and abusing priests, as well.
You ever notice how ICE is always turning up these "dangerous criminals and lazy bums" at Immigration hearings and job sites?
Religious people are not mentally well.
They believe if they whisper hard enough that magic will fix their problems.
They believe if they follow some thousand year old undiagnosed obsessive compulsive disorder sufferers compulsions that magic will fix their problems.
They literally believe in magic.
They are all wackos.
Every single one.
There are no good religions.
He went on to say, "especially the little boys, they need to be escorted the most."
Don't make me like you, kiddy diddler.
Sometimes working with people you dislike to do a good thing isn’t a bad idea. No True Scotsman fallacy is why America is where it is now.
The catholic church: "We're better than everyone else, even the presence of a priest on your behalf will get you special treatment."
No. No, it won't. No, it shouldn't. Ever.
Fuck religion and fuck those that support it.
If youre in a position of power, why not use it for good? Yeah, they shouldnt have it in the first place but in a crisis those sorts of discussions are less important than protecting the vulnerable.
Yea, let's even bash them when they work for something good.. good idea!
Just like joining a military, some people are born sheep and need to cling to a rigid structure to thrive. Without it, you have all sorts of nasty consequences from people who can't self-actualize and need to believe in being part of something magical that has a plan for them.
Not something I'd ever want for myself, but as I get older I've come to realize that there are many people, people that con artists like Reagan, Trump, McConnell, and every Mega Church leader ever, capitalize and prey on because they need to be told what to think to feel safe.
I don't think the answer is to abolish the crutches of the weak minded, so much as for society through representative government to regulate what they teach to minimize the potential for turning the structure weak minds crave into a potential army of useful idiots for those that would coopt such movements.
This is where we find out which faith is stronger, organized religion or the MAGA cult.
The MAGA nuts are Christian nationalist protestants. They think the Pope is the antichrist (literally many of them do).
Mormons too, they’ve been screeching about Armageddon and the antichrist since we elected that black fellow
Yet many Catholics voted in line with the MAGA nuts, purely on abortion. The American Catholic Church has turned abortion into its defining political litmus test. Hopefully this new Pope can convince American bishops that there are other issues worth their attention.
Besides, the folks who run the US right now always need an enemy. Once they run through the immigrants, and LGBT people, who's next? It's entirely possible these christofascists start ostracizing Catholics. They never liked them anyway, they just liked their votes, and they probably think they won't need votes anymore to keep in power.
The irony being that Trump fits the description of the of anti-Christ eerily well
The Pope isn't the American Christian icon you'd think. JFK was Catholic and it was a big deal.
American Christianity is dozens and dozens of sects and styles and flavors. Overall they roughly disrespect and respect the Pope about the same, he's irrelevant really.
Modern American fascism has been claiming catholicism, see Vance. This is big for that reason. That and catholicism being the largest individual branch of Christianity in America
On the other hand, Biden is a Catholic too and that wasn't an election issue. And Trump probably couldn't tell you which denomination he pretends to be part of.
How many Americans are catholics though? (And how many of those are hispanics anyways?)
It's easy to ignore the pope, when he's not even part of your denomination.
Please refer to this terribly colored pie chart for your answer.
They're only doing this for one day, and only for 3 hours. MAGA signed up for 8 years of their shit.
Well some of them pray to the old donny boy
None of them have faith, religion has been used to prior up racist, sexist ideas for over a century in the US. They left faith long ago, it's just a tool for their hate.
They would deport Jesus if he came back, so I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this one