Mark Zuckerberg gave Meta's Llama team the OK to train on copyrighted works, filing claims

Sounds like he should be personally liable for every count of copyright infringement then

If the RIAA can sue $100,000's per individual mp3 file...
- what's that? oh just a lawsuit for 43 quadrillion dollars.
- Zuckerberg is evil, but do you really want his wealth transferred to the RIAA? 😅
Do we yet have a legal framework to call LLM training copyright infringement?

Torrenting, a way of distributing files across the web, requires that torrenters simultaneously “seed,” or upload, the files they’re trying to obtain.

That's not true. Techniques exist to fight off leeching and download speeds are severely impacted by them but that a blanket statement of a requirement just isn't true.

Zuck makes all these fatal mistakes that should destroy him, but he made enough money to get into the club where laws don’t apply and there are never consequences for your actions.

Every sociopath’s dream. But still, I bet he’s in the club because of his usefulness to the old members. He’s not actually one of them, and he never will be.

The old members are in government now. They really don't need him anymore.

Okay if anything positive about Meta and other AI companies, I love how they are helping to burn down the copyright scheme designed to protect the corporations themselves

I love your optimism! Although, I'm sure it'll only lead to corporate exclusion laws
- Unfortunatly thats what i fear. Also it seems that if they fuck copyright then they have also fucked foss licences.

Just remember that it was ultimately the corpos who showed us that theft doesn't matter anymore.

This is a man who's reaction to being trusted is to question the intelligence of the person trusting him. I'm not kidding.

Are they gonna force them to delete the model? 🤔

Facebook is quite resistant to people forcing them to do things
Its open source. It can’t be deleted.

According to the latest filing, Meta also revealed during depositions that it torrented LibGen, a move that gave some Meta research engineers pause. Torrenting, a way of distributing files across the web, requires that torrenters simultaneously “seed,” or upload, the files they’re trying to obtain.

Plaintiffs’ counsel alleges that Meta effectively engaged in another form of copyright infringement by torrenting LibGen and thus helping to spread its contents. Meta also tried to conceal its activities, counsel alleges, by minimizing the number of files it uploaded.

So if books3 was all off Bibliotik... is the mysterious books2 that's theorized to be all of libgen what they torrented?? I had heard of OpenAI using books2, but no others, and no firm info on it. So were they torrenting individual books, a thing that's probably relatively simple to automate, or did they find a torrent of books2? Were they just throttling upload on a public torrent/torrents?

The capitalists are cannibalizing themselves

I genuinely don't understand people defending copy right on Lemmy. It's a bad system that's made for wealth hoarding. Out of 1,000,000 copyright conflicts only 1 them protects actual people. The rest 999,999 is there to hoard wealth for the rich.

It's good that Llama was trained on copyrighted stuff even if you hate Meta and Zuckerborg.

Copyright is bad, but if it exists, it should apply equally to everyone, not just megacorporations.
- That will never happen because it costs resources to pursue infringement.
  Maybe if we eventually reach the stage where AI is basically running all law related issues so everyone can afford it? But if that happens then we're already in a post-copyright world.
- It does apply equally to everyone. The lemmy hive mind simply doesn't understand copyright law.
LLM won't destroy copyright laws, they are the evident of the problem with copy right as you mentioned. People cannot view the content they brought in the way they want, yet company with a gigantic tech and law team can jump around the grey area for as much profit as they wish, with 0 compensation to the creator of these knowledge.
LLM absorbing copyrighted work is not a win against copyright law, it is copyright law at work.
- Sorry but I don't follow. What do you mean?
  The entire idea of "restricting information" to protect investments of investors is fundamentally flawed. There's no way to do that other than is brute force (what we do right now by just bullying people who do it) and good luck brute forcing billions of free data streams from billions of people, some coming from jurisdictions you have no control over. The critical mass has been reached.
  What are they going to do? and I mean this as a legitimate questions as someone with a computer science degree. There's no technical solution and there's no political solution. The last grasps of these LLM lawsuits are just last chances to grab some free lawsuit money. It's done. Game over copyright.

“Had Meta bought plaintiffs’ works in a bookstore or borrowed them from a library and trained its Llama models on them without a license, it would have committed copyright infringement,” wrote plaintiffs’ counsel in the filing.

I wonder how many here agree with that theory.