The right-wing claims about voter fraud have suddenly vanished
The right-wing claims about voter fraud have suddenly vanished
On election night, as the results looked to be in Trump’s favor, the baseless conspiracy theories about fraud began tapering off.
No, the narrative just changed. Good luck convincing anyone the 2020 election wasn't stolen ever again.
"I told you. In 2020 we won all 50 states. Voter fraud by the millions. I was saying it all along. But we worked hard, we passed laws for election integrity, we watched the polls and they couldn't cram their 10, 15 million votes into the boxes again. And look what happened. Instead of winning by 8 million votes, she lost by 6 million votes. Which is what should have happened last time."
This is the narrative I've been hearing. The voters that just stayed home simply never existed in the first place, as far as they're concerned. He's going to use this victory as proof of his claim that he should have won last time, voter fraud was rampant, and Democrats are cheaters. And it's going to work.
And it’s going to work.
Well, let's face it - the target audience for such stupid narratives are his base, and they are dumb as a box of rocks.
Should we tell him who was president in 2020 and who was president in 2024? Oh right, it doesn’t matter to them as long as they repeat it a million times.
And used to support the claim to change voting in some way, or do away with it at least for Federal level.
No, not true. They are saying that this time they knew to watch close, so the Democrats couldn't pull of the same fraud as 2020. They are indeed stating that it is "supisious" that 13 Million Democratic voices where nowhere to be seen this time around, taking that as proof they were right all along.
That's how this works. You take reality and then make it mean what you want it to mean. So that's their take in regards to voter fraud.
That’s how this works. You take reality and then make it mean what you want it to mean.
What's "fun" is when you realize an awful lot of people do this with an awful lot of topics all the fucking time. Probably including yourself.
I would say everyone does it. Confirmation bias isn't something you can completely avoid. You can try to recognise it in yourself, but most of the time it's a lot more subtle. As simple as reading something you agree with and not going to check the source. We ALL do that.
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug
Absolutely. I try to counter it by beeing aware and checking M opinions against facts where possible. But I am sure there are many topics where I don't fully succeed or I haven't caught myself doing it yet.
It's an extremely common aspect of human psychology to make up a story to explain the results of an event or reasoning for your actions after the fact.
It's even been demonstrated in specific cases in studies of people who've received brain hemisphere bifurcation to prevent grand mal seizures.
The side of the brain responsible for speech is not shown information or things the individual must complete, then when asked why they performed such an action, the speech responsible side of the brain will spontaneously make up a resonable sounding story to explain it.
I highly recommend checking it out. It's an absolutely fascinating look into human psychology
I'm sure I do this same thing all the time subconsiously, and I've certainly noticed it in others.
You really have to be a stupid person to be a Republican these days. Wild.
Given their penchant for projection, has anyone considered that the fraud was coming from inside the house?
I believe we have one of the most secure elections in the world. I don't believe in conspiratorial bullshit. I'm just saying, anything the Republicans accuse others with is frankly evidence that they are doing it themselves.
They tell me immigrants are eating pets? Yeah I'm going to say there's definitely a non-zero chance that republicans are out there picking up roadkill cats and dogs. I mean Kennedy has probably done that 100 times himself.
So if the Republicans accuse Democrats of creating millions of fake votes I doubt it's possible to do, but let's double check anyway because now they've made me suspicious.
They literally had their supporters burn drop-off ballot boxes and destroy ballots. They literally intimidated other voters. They harassed poll workers and volunteers whose entire purpose is to ensure everyone who is eligible to vote has everything they need in order to do so. Yet no one is batting a fucking eye. THESE FUCKERS STOLE THE ELECTION. 15 million less votes than what Biden got and Trump got about the same as he did when he ran before. This stinks of interference.
I don't think that the physical interference would have been enough to turn this one. The interference in the media/social media however was definitely the root cause to this. Along with Democrats shifting more right than they have in decades
Can we also consider that intentionally making it harder to vote in Democrat leaning counties in otherwise Republican States is electoral fraud? Because it kinda is.
If you remove the word kinda, your comment becomes true
My co-worker and I were talking about that last night. I told her that it's amazing that not one fucking republican as uttered those two words, "voters fraud", since Tuesday night. Isn't it amazing how that is no longer a problem???? The fucking hypocrites!!!!
I told her that it’s amazing that not one fucking republican as uttered those two words, “voters fraud”, since Tuesday night.
Oh, I've heard them use those words, mostly in context of claiming that their watchful eyes prevented those evil Democrats from being able to do it this time. You know, because the party that can't win without voter suppression and gerrymandering believes that they are the party that can't lose without voter fraud.
It's always projection. ALWAYS.
And yet I still have Facebook friends posting about how “all the states Kamala won are the ones that don’t require photo ID…”
Of fucking course. These people really should try breathing through their noses.
Those aren't your friends. Those are Nazis.
We know they've tried electoral interference before, what are the chances they did it again this and it worked this time?
The GOP winning at all means it worked, just as it has in the past. Gerrymandering, voter purges, limiting access, corrupt judiciary, prisons, dark money groups, etc. That is how the GOP has won for several decades. They have NEVER been able to win a fair democratic election on a national level.
I know that most progressives are just crying in their beer and looking for someone in their party or an adjacent political group to blame, but why isn't more attention being brought to the many many efforts by Republicans and their overseas allies to corrupt the election and disenfranchise Democrats? I'm disgusted by the institutionalism that leads our leaders to call and congratulate the fascists rather than holding our own rallies to demand accountability for election irregularities.
Now they also control the social media platform that liberals and leftists used for organizing.
Half the country not showing up to the polls didn't help
How common was voter purge this time around? Could it have impacted people who voted early?
My grandmother's doctor was told his mail-in vote wasn't counted, then he came in person to vote and they arrested him for "fraud"
I mean, if you're talking about fake ass twitter accounts and grifting, they did that in plain sight.
But these strategies should be well known by the democrats by now and they aren't invulnerable to counteracting. It's simply the case that less people showed up to vote this election than previous ones, I guess.
Schrödinger's voter fraud
Don’t worry, they’ll still have Biden, Clintons, and Kamala to blame for all of Donnie’s mistakes.
Don’t forget Obama!
Barack HUSSEIN Obama
Sorry, there was just an orange turd that made a law that made it illegal to not call him that
Thanks adespoton!
No worries, they'll claim voter fraud next set of elections and by 2028 there won't be elections to claim fraud on.
Wait so I can't just tweet, without context anymore just...
RIGGED!
In the last few months, he claimed that "we have all the votes we need", and his followers didn't need to vote anymore, they were going to win. I immediately thought he meant they were going to cheat. I can't find the place he said this, it was at a rally. It's not the same as his comment that he made to a bunch of christians that said they won't have to vote again in the future because they were going to "fix it". This was after that. This guy is a lifelong con man, he lies and cheats. Somehow I believe he did that in this election. I hope they find out he paid for votes because that's just his style.
My wife literally just told me this today. Apparently he said it multiple times - someone made a supercut. I haven't seen it yet myself.
Ah, so now it's time for baseless accusations from our side, yes?
As long as there is no proof this is as much a conspiration theory as the the bullshit the right was spewing about in 2020.
Ah yes, it's exactly the same with no differences, surely Trump isn't known to be a cheat and a liar from every single other interaction he's ever had with a human being. Surely he hasn't stated publicly his intentions to cheat the election. No, he's a perfect human being and we're all just shouting about voter fraud because we're stupid.
One person is not a conspiracy theory. "I believe..." is what I wrote. Trump is a convicted criminal, proven liar and a deadbeat who stiffs people. It's quite logical to look negatively on an individual who admires dictators and the worst genocidal person in history (so far).
Gosh, so they aren't going to organize a "stop the steal" that is designed to specifically steal an election?
I wonder if the government still controls the weather?
Its almost as if, I don't know, every single thing out of their mouth is completely fucking bullshit
Well Dems did get 13 million fewer votes this time.
This is what I keep hearing: the drop in turn out proves the previous claims of fraud were correct.
They were so primed to complain about voting fraud that when they never got updated marching orders on what fraud to complain about, they just went back to the well.
It doesn't prove fraud in the last election, obviously. But it does make fraud in this election dramatically less a consideration for those who might suspect it
"Too big to rig" was a clear indication that this was always the plan.
Who would have thought that complaining the vote was rigged would disenfranchise the democrats from voting instead of, you know, motivating them? It's kind of a sad state of affairs.
they accomplished their goal no need to keep up the tale
It’s going to join the great migrant caravan in the sky.
What about the 100 or so lawsuits? Will they be making the next election count even more relia... oh you don't know what I'm talking about? Oh...
Let's move on. This is what the American people wanted. Let them burn it all down. The adults will pick up the pieces when it's all over.
"The adults" can't restore lost lives, and depending on how much "the adults" think they should take the moral high ground, they may only undo some of the damage, while normalize the rest.
I'm well aware. I'm not making light of the things that will happen.
Oh for fucks sake, I escaped from the left wing cesspool that is Reddit and came here after being told it's free from left wing cancer. Obviously not...
Imagine actually thinking MSNBC is left. Scamper back off to Reddit now.
Also, Lemmy was founded and is run by communists. Lol
Obviously 'did their research' hahahhahahahh
Sounds like you belong more on truth social...
Where the facts don't matter
Reddit isn't Left Wing, it's Tankie SJW nonsense
This is Left Wing, where Facts don't care about your feelings.
Isn't that weird?
It's almost like they didn't believe in their own claims.
Or they don't want anyone investigating their victory too closely
They already caught republicans doing shady shit before Tuesday. Who knows how many they didn’t catch.