What's your "old person" trait?

I think that a basic lifestyle should be affordable for a basic person

Found the left-wing extremist! /s
i’m gonna go one further:
i think everybody should be allowed to live a decent enough life, whether they can work or not.
- I'll go even further and say that meeting the needs of a population is the only point of having a society at all.
- I don't think that is an old person trait. You are just secretly Nordic.
Crazy how that is an unpopular opinion these days

My old person trait is that none of the things mentioned in the linked image happened on accident.

They happened because capitalism doesn't give a fuck about anything except bleeding as much money as conceivably possible out of each and every human.

Apps allow companies to suck more data out of your device than a website, allowing them to sell more of your data and... make more money.
Video games needing access to the internet is simply Digital Rights Management and a way to prevent piracy and... make more money. Remember, most companies view something pirated as a "lost sale," not that you would have never purchased it to begin with. As Gabe Newell once said:

“We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem,” he said. “If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate’s service is more valuable."

This one speaks for itself. Being able to be in control of the products you buy is freedom. Having products controlled remotely by a corporation is giving them carte blanche to make more money off of you.
Removing accessible customer service means more people will just give up on trying to get their problem solved, effectively allowing the company to steal from people and... shocker... make more money.

I agree, in theory, in respect to ghosting, but we live in a society that teaches us to be isolated, and doesn't teach interpersonal skills unless the interpersonal skill is "Fuck you, got mine." (which is, not surprisingly, a thing about making more money.)

In other words, these aren't old people opinions. These are "I'm not gonna let capitalism absolutely fuck me endlessly" opinions.

At least in Europe I suspect those of us who grew up before neoliberalism took over in the 80s have a different take on the normality of the whole "being treated as a mark to scam money of 24/7" thing...
It's specifically capitalism driven by GDP. Capitalism is bad but adding GDP is like removing any ethic and moral compass.
Where do I sign up to buy the awards around here?
Kidding…great post, tho
- That's what the emojis are for. Unlike the shitshow most of us just came from, here it doesn't cost real money to add a tiny picture of 🏅 to a comment.
In terms of piracy, I wonder how much could be prevented by having demos, like Factorio does
- Demos used to be everywhere back in the day! I think they have a huge impact, because it's a way to try to play a game without dumping all the money on it without knowing what the gameplay is like and if its actually fun.
  When I was a kid, DOOM having the first episode of the game available as shareware was huge and I used to walk to my friends place after school and watch him play until he would get bored and let me play for a while.
  From an old interview in 1999 with John Carmack about this very subject (emphasis mine):
  Carmack: DOOM 2 was explicitly a commercial release. We sort of half heartedly did some shareware distribution with Quake, but I think the industry has almost unanimously decided that the three or so level demo is the best test vehicle.
  A lot of people consider themselves to have "finished DOOM" when they just finished the shareware episode.
- Funny how Steam has been making sales and events around demos for a while (called Next Fests) and some games absolutely blow up out of nowhere thanks to them.
  Also some people think FF16 having a demo was some weird, oddball marketing move by Square Enix, except they have been making "try now, continue later" demos for games since Bravely Default.

I refuse to use subscription software. If I can't buy it outright, I either use an alternative or take to seas.

my old person trait is remembering that it didn't use to be this hot in the summer where I live.

Oof.

I think cars should not be dependent on a touch screen for ANY of it's functions (or really have one at all). They are more difficult to use than tactile buttons, distracting, and do not receive long term support from the OEM.

What do you do with a 10 year old car that runs but the touch screen nuked due to age, firmware bugs or mechanical damage? Ford isn't going to be selling replacement units 10 years later and I have yet to see an 'infotainment' system that has aftermarket replacement considerations.

Totally agree with this one.
I drive an old 06 and I much prefer using the the physical buttons to adjust things like music, volume, air settings. Even prefer using it to back up and having to use my mirrors and look back.
My '18 vehicle is all touch screen, cameras,etc. While the a/c functions better and I don't feel like my fillings are going to fall out from all the rattles and bumps, I find there is a real disconnect. I am even asked by others why I lean over and look at the back window when reversing.
I work in tech and I don't trust tech.
- “If you think technology will solve your problems, you don't understand technology—and you don't understand your problems.” - Bruce Schneier
Yep. 100% agree. My new-ish Toyota RAV4 strikes an acceptable balance with touch screen vs real buttons/knobs. I don't think anything critical is on the touch screen except maybe the equalizer. The touch screen isn't massive either, but big enough to have a useful backup camera display.

My old person trait is that instructions do not need to be videos.

I might end up wanting a video, but there is so much low-quality content in search results. I can click into and out of six bad sets of written instructions in the time it takes me to watch one video far enough through to realize it doesn't answer my question. Please, search engines, place more written instructions higher up.
i'm a little iffy on this one... if it's something complicated/with lots of parts like how to repair your phone screen or something i prefer the video format, but for things like how to install certain softwares i totally agree with you
- if I'm reading documentation for a software library, i want that written.
  cuz i can read useful paragraphs faster than how ppl talk
  but if it's something highly visual, maybe a video is better

I have a few. And I'm not even that old (mid thirties)

People who talk on phone calls using airpods or similar look ridiculous in public, like they're utter lunatics talking to themselves or their imaginary friend.
people who view life through their mobile phones are unfortunate and sad. Like...why pay money to go see a gig if you're going to view it through your phone screen? I went to a wedding last week and I was one of the very few who was actually watching the procession with my own eyes rather through a camera app.
Not being on social media should be an accepted norm, not a fucking exception. This is an issue when dating, unbelievably.

The not being on social media one sucks when dating for sure.
"How do I know you aren't a weirdo, creep, stalker etc?"
"You don't and me having social media wouldn't change that either."
Sure I could play ball and make myself a presence but honestly I'm happy enough being single that I'll gladly dodge any lady who isn't on board with my lack of social media.
Just a shame that in a numbers game that a relatively high proportion choose such a non issue to be a sticking point.
- I think the numbers may work in your favor the other way. The coolest / funnest / most interesting people I know have minimal or no social media presence. There are fewer of them, sure, but a much higher percentage of them are cool people vs the mindless drones who see everything in life as a photo op which they can post on their curated online persona's webpages.

I think that buying something should be more convenient than pirating in.

That's more of a "young person" trait though. For most of the history of media that could be pirated, buying meant going to a brick and mortar store and paying ridiculous sums like $10 per song on a music record. Pirating was nearly always more convenient.

My old person traits are most of all posted here because I am an old person.

But I'll add that my old person traits is that I think a living wage should support... er... living, including a place to live, food to eat, paying for services, buying clothes, getting decent public health and education, and even have spare money for your free time (hobbies, eat out, theatre, concerts, etc.).

My old person trait is that I think I should be able to have anything I purchased repaired/serviced by whomever I wish, with whatever parts they deem acceptable.

Right to repair is a human right.

My old person trait is that when I purchase a printer, I should be able to use whatever is the cheapest compatible ink without the printer treating me like I'm smuggling unicorn blood out of Narnia

I bought a brother laser printer when my company sent us to WFH in March 2020 and I haven't looked back. Just replaced the ink (er, toner) in March 2023
You get what you pay for. If you buy a loss-leader they will of course try to get more out of you
- I don't know why they are booing you, you're right! If you don't want a printer that's a loss leader with expensive ink then buy a tank printer or a laser printer.
  Cartridge based inkjet printers are almost always a loss leader and you also buy the part that does the printing every time you buy a cartridge. The print heads are actually on the cartridge, not in the printer at all.
  Tank based inkjet printers are very different - the printer costs more but the ink is cheap. They also have no way of knowing what brand ink you use since it's just ink - not a whole set of print heads and a microchip. This is all because the print heads are part of the printer - not included with the ink in a cartridge.
  Laser printers are also great but they get even more complex. They have drum units which can be part of the toner cartridge or a separate unit that needs replacing periodically depending on the design of the printer.
It is often reasonable to handwrite everything to avoid printers

my old person trait is thinking that all of the above are extremely reasonable expectations and it's a sad world we live in where most of those aren't the case anymore

My old person trait is I shouldn't have to scan a QR code for the menu at a sit-down where I'm dropping $100 on entrées. Give me a dang physical copy of the menu!

And then the QR code does not link to a menu but an app instead. So you need to install an app and allow weird permissions not related to the ordering of food for said app just to see that it only displays a static website in a Chrome custom tab.

I want a proper headphone jack on my phone! Bluetooth can be convenient, but I prefer wired headphones.

An optional second usb c port would be better

I hate all websites that move things around as they load. If I see a button, that button should stay where it is when I try to click it.

The number of times the “news” headline display shows me something that catches my interest and then disappears and refreshes to something else before I was able to finish reading it infuriates me.

Giving strangers the ability to make your phone make noise is insane

My old person trait is that I want video to be horizontal.

Honestly short form videos are so dangerous to my already short attention span
Doesn't help that even YouTube is shoving them down people's throats now

Where should I start? I like to own my music, stream it from my server @home, I like to use a calculator, just because I like them. And I like to do things in a terminal, even when it takes 5x the time and a hand full of code. I like to connect things with cables instead of wireless, still faster and more secure, got a full cupboard of cables and adapters, I even collect movies and ebooks on my drives with the thought of "the day the internet brakes down I'll be the king here". Maybe it's because I AM old?! That kind of old, there was a time I spent money for a ringtone.

I prefer landscape videos over vertical videos. I still remember when vertical videos were clowned on so hard that there were songs written about it. Now it's how everyone consumes their content!

Can't tell if this is face value mockery of younger generations willingly submitting to being fucked over by corporations for profit (maybe because of dependance on the convenience of modern technology), or if this is actually younger people making light of the abysmal state of consumer protection (probably caused by the older generation).

Maybe it's Poe's law, maybe it's a bit of both, or maybe this is just my own old person trait.

I think I should be allowed to order food from a restaurant without needing to scan a QR code which requires me to have a smart phone and an active, paid plan in order to access their menu.

Yes! My OPT is that people shouldn't have their phones out when you're out for a meal. The whole QR code menu thing forces you to start your outing staring at your phone!
- Wait, you mean you're sat down AT the restaurant and you need to get out your phone to view the menus???

The idea of "keep it simple, stupid" is lost. Everything, from beauracracy to apps to games to social interactions, is mired in unnecessary complexity that makes it difficult for everyone to keep up. I want a simple website with information that I need (thank you Wikipedia for upholding this). I want an airline loyalty membership without insane fine-print rules. I want to tip services based on service provided and not mess around a tablet's interface. I want dental insurance where I'm not leaving the office with a bill that's almost half my rent becuase they did something my insurance said in fine-print wouldn't cover. Maybe these aren't "old person" traits and I'm just here venting. But damn if I don't miss when certain things were simpler.

What's worse is something I akin to a kind simple complexity. A lot of things are needlessly complex because of a relentless drive to 'simplifly' to the point of paradoxical complexity and difficult operation. The classic example I was shown was a pre-internet one funnily enough. It was a radio that was 'one touch' operation. It had but one button. Trouble is, generally even for something as simple as a radio, one tends need slightly more control than just one button and so to actually operate the thing one had to press this one button over and over and over again to select things from a large array of potential operations and also to somehow know and memorise different lengths of time to press this one button to initiate different functions. Nowadays this idea is taken to a terrible extreme on things that get commonly labelled as 'devices' basically any computer that isn't a traditional desktop 'PC'. You're trying to find something specific and that function is in some ridiculously obscure place behind a tiny hidden button menu that is presented to the user through use of small esoteric icons rather than words, because of a desire to remove clutter. You end up with 'clean' website or interface design where there's very little in the way of navigational or important operational functions that could crowd or overwhelm the user, but also HUGE irrelevant items or logos to interact with in ways basically no one would ever desire to do, or tons of white space that does nothing. Sometimes I'm astonished because it doesn't even work on a cynical level where you subtly funnel people towards doing the things you most want them to do on your site or app, like buying things, because the design is so poor and obfuscated that if you literally wanted to buy something or find out where a place is so or when it opens so you are even able to buy something, you just... can't because all you seem to be able to do is follow circular links of grinning idiot stock models back to where you started on a torturous merry go round of needless frustration that benefits neither you nor the people that designed the system giving you all this grief.
I was all for this simple interface drive initially, when websites begun to have 'mobile' versions they were typically better than the original site and devoid of the mess that one had to otherwise contend with, but now they've paired everything back so far that basic obvious functions are near impossible to find or outright missing. The effect is most pronounced I've found in Google apps, but it's everywhere. It makes things complicated whilst simultaneously being ridiculously dumbed down and simple. The worst of both worlds. It's like someone took "Keep it simple stupid" and misinterpreted it as "keep it stupid, simple" . Drives me nuts.

My old person trait is that most of these sound like very recent problems

my old person trait is that you should keep your internet identity completely separate from your real one

I've heard people talking about not wanting global internet identities and I, having the same thought you do, don't see how it would be a problem if you kept your real Identity out of it.
Partly because I like the idea of becoming famous but without people knowing who you really are.
- That is a memorable name, I'll remember that!
Nice try, Steve

Mine is that photos should ideally be printed, not stored in a cloud somewhere that you have to pay for forever or you lose them.

My old person trait is that no one is allowed to be mad at me for not answering a random phone call. Sometimes it's ok to leave your phone in the other room while watching a movie, or (gasp!) At home while you're out gardening.

Since being forced back to they office only to sit on calls with the TV in the meeting room, I take every opportunity I can to make snide remarks about staying home.

My old person trait is that I want to not be milked for data

My old person trait is that I think kids today are underinformed and overopinionated, especially when it causes them to hold opinions with which I disagree. All other times the kids are alright.

My old person trait is that a digital file I paid for should be DRM free.

Yeah that line was used by my abusers way to often. They just "can't understand" why I'd go no contact. As if the last 300 explanations were somehow non existent. Nope. I don't owe you anything.

And my old person trait is my walking stick I suppose.

My old person trait is I think people should remove their headphones when interacting with each other IRL

My old person trait is when someone tells me what they mean, they better damn well be telling me what they mean, because I'm not gonna play mind games with them. If you tell me you're not upset then I'll believe you're not upset, I'm honouring you and your words and trusting that you're being upfront and honest with what you want me to know. And if you secretly are upset, it's not my responsibility to know that, you did not tell me.

I have adapted this policy. With a bunch of trying to understand why this person is acting a certain way.
- Personally I'm not great at reading people and I've found they get even more frustrated when you get it wrong than when you just don't do it. After a certain point I found myself miserable and I kinda stopped and went "wait, why is it MY job to know what THEY want from me?" And I eventually just kinda. Stopped. Most people hardly noticed because I got it wrong or overlooked it so much anyway but it was tons less stress on me, and now they knew how to effectively interact with me

Owning physical media > "owning" digital media.

game companies constantly pushing towards digital only stuff pisses me off.
- "Always Online" form of DRM is the most stupid thing anyone could ever do to a single-player.
  Ubisoft and EA Games come to mind.
What do you mean by "owning"? Steam/EpicGames game and Amazon movie like owning? That would not be owning, but since they are commonly refered as such "owning" makes sense. It is important to differentiate this with GOG Game like owning, because GOG games are, once downloaded, completely independent of GOG and the Internet. Similar to that would be pirated Movies, and most pirated Software with the difference that you don't legally own it. Like a stolen DVD lol.
- You don't own digital media. It can be taken away from you at any time for any reason or no reason at all:
  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-lawsuit/amazon-settles-kindle-lawsuit-over-1984-copy-idUKTRE59151X20091002
  https://www.npr.org/2019/07/07/739316746/microsoft-closes-the-book-on-its-e-library-erasing-all-user-content
  https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ps4-players-getting-locked-games-123900616.html
  Not the first time, either...
  https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/DIVX

These are not old person traits, these are just things that most people agree upon.

When I buy an aplliance or something simple like a speaker I don't want to have to connect it to the web to work properly. I want to just plug it in and use the function I bought it for.

I'll got a step further and say that I don't want anything to connect to the internet except my computer. And even then I'd prefer if programs didn't try to sync settings or check for updates or anything else without me saying they can use the network.
(I'm in a shrinking minority that doesn't use the internet on their phone. I feel that somehow makes me even more of an old person than my parents...)
My water heater has wifi. Isn't that the most ridiculous thing you ever heard?? Lol!!
- Friend of mine had his house switched to smart lighting without buttons. All controlled via WiFi. Then his WiFi broke. 😂

The third one is my old person trait. Also, grumpiness, and wanting the right to repair my own devices.

I don't think expecting a product to be functional and actually owning it is an old person trait. Saas absolutely fucking sucks.

For the love of god stop with the QR code menus. I don’t want to have to scroll up and down a million times to figure out my order.

I'm actually OK with QR code menus, but only when done well. It's nice to be able to place an order and pay anytime without having to wait for a waiter to come by or have them constantly bother you.
However, I've run into a lot of really poorly done QR code menus that just don't work 50% of the time.
- Experientially, sending the whole party to their phones is a buzz kill and I’d reckon likely causes delays in ordering and consensus as people get distracted. Conversely, some places let you pay the check on mobile which is choice as fuck.

My old person trait is that I'm unreasonably annoyed by people who don't write in full, correct, complete sentences, punctuation and grammar included.

Something interesting I've found is that people use 'lol' to show disinterest or mock the person they're replying to, not to show amusement. And that's not the kind of person I really want to engage with.

lol

As someone who works in a call center, screw that last person on here. So sorry you hate the automated system. Sorry you had to wait on hold. They can't keep enough of us employed because y'all are fucking mean and no one wants to be abused for $15/hr.

Er, I mean, Thank you for calling, sorry about your wait!

I had two friends quit call centers within a month of joining because it immediately sent them into a depression.
I'm sorry for everything you have to deal with at work.
Don't you think you could both be victims? Waiting for ages listening to a 13 second loop of music interspersed with "your call is important to us" might make people a bit more angry?
You should be mad at the people who gain financially from it, and could make it better for you and the customers, but might have to skip that third yacht for little Timmy.
- I understand that people get angry when they have to wait in line for ages and usually due to something having gone wrong in the first place, but dumping that anger onto a hapless call center employee who's in many ways — like you said – also a victim of the same company is Not Cool™.
- Right? I see a very easy solution to this, which is, instead of telling the person to sit there and wait under the threat of losing their place in queue if they're not available when the magically shitty music stops playing, to just have the costumers state their name and problem and to then let them go on their way and have the call center itself call back the costumers once their queue position comes up.
  But of course. Capitalism.
I wish call center software had better features on dealing with overburdened staff. Callbacks are a great thing to avoid having to be on the phone constantly. A dash of statistics might be nice to recommend an alternative time to call to get a better wait time.

Tabs belong below the address bar on a browser, not above. Also the menu bar should always be a thing and there should be a title bar as well, not merging the two or three (including tabs) into one single bar.

Since the content of the address bar changes when you change tabs (the same as the website itself), doesn't it make much more sense to have the tabs above the address bar? What's your reason to prefer it below?
- It's just what I grew up with and am used to mainly, plus it's a shorter mouse distance to reach the tabs from the content than having it at the top. And before you mention Fitt's Law, I have my taskbar on top so that law doesn't apply to me for tabs anyways.

My old person trait is I think cashless-only businesses should be illegal.

I don't know why, but I was under the impression that they were. Don't believe I've ever come across one myself.
- Many big corps went cashless during covid. I worked for Vail ski resorts last winter and they only accepted card. Employees were not allowed to accept cash. One of my coworkers got fired for taking cash and putting charges on his own credit card for points lol. Really weird policy and I agree it should not be allowed.

My OPT is that you should be able to buy and own your software instead of perpetually renting it.

Mine is that a cellphone should be a phone first, instead of being a shitty computer first and a celllphone as a distant afterthought.

This might be the only actual old person trait in this thread (OP included). The rest is basically just “I don’t want to be fucked over.”
- It goes along with how they've stopped calling it a user interface and started calling it a user experience. Interface implies the computer is a tool that you use to do things, while experience implies that the things you can do are ready made according to, basically, usage scripts that were mapped out by designers and programmers.
  No sane person would talk about a user's experience with a socket wrench, and that's how you know socket wrenches are still useful.

I prefer to talk to individuals on phones rather than texting a long conversation. If it's a quick question (yes/no) or short answer texting is ok. But I find it taking longer and more tedious to text out an ongoing conversation over 20 minutes versus just calling and getting straight to the point and getting the information you need in 5 minutes.

I disagree that you owe a face to face conversation. No one should forced to go meet someone if they don't feel like it.

In the context of dating, if you get ghosted, consider that the person is not interested in you after all - and just move on. No big deal.

My OPT is gardening and also being so out of whatever "it" is

I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary. It’ll happen to you!

I kinda agree with you op on ghosting being unacceptable, but NOBODY is entitled to see my face NO ONE. It is not ghosting to straight up tell someone "I am no longer interested in continuing to stay in contact with you."

Likewise, my old person trait is the belief that your identity and all details pertaining to it are PERSONAL including voice, likeness, biometric statistics, location, interests - basically, the default human presence online is TEXT ONLY AND NO DESCRIPTION OF ANYTHING CONCRETE until and unless they choose to intentionally disclose more, and nobody, not one mother FUCKING person OR THING has the right to demand of you any more than that. Lastly, that you should guard your information greedily and viciously.

I like having a keyboard and mouse. Doing things on a smartphone is a last resort.

I don't use my phone to pay at the POS and I refuse to do so. I will always carry around my card and use that.

Use cash to avoid revealing card info

For me, I miss the days when you could browse a website without popups for cookie consent, creating/signing up for an account, paying them money, and disabling your ad blocker.

To be fair, I'd rather always be asked for cookie consent than the websites hoover up every last bit of information about me without my knowledge or consent.
Totally agree with the rest of your points though. Like, why do I need an nVidia account to download fucking drivers?
- Or a Logitech account to use a keyboard? 😆

I don't want an iPad glued to my car's dashboard. Touch screens are fine but the current screen sizes and placement are ridiculous. It's a car, the screen shouldn't be distracting you.

Absolutely with you. With physical buttons you quickly have the placement of your controls in muscle memory and you can just blindly change your A/C settings or skip songs without taking your eyes off your road.
- That's why I still simp for Infiniti. They haven't yet updated the Q50 interior to the new trend and I hope they never do. I love my buttons for things I need to do while in motion. I hate Tesla for popularizing this crap.
  Thankfully the luxury brands and Toyota are still holding out.

That all current, popular, music really sucks.

It's worth noting though that the shitty music of yesteryear doesn't persist in the public consciousness. When we think of music from previous generations, we're thinking about the stuff that was good enough to last (or bad enough, I suppose, if it's notably bad). So the popular music of today may seem to be dominated by shit, but you'd have to examine what else was on the airwaves of a given era to really make a good comparison.
I also think there's two major factors brought on by technological advancement and they both have a positive side. There are a lot more avenues to discover music than there have ever been. Musicians no longer have to be extremely talented and have broad appeal to reach an audience. From the listener's point of view, it's much easier to find good music that fits your particular tastes. And I think that in turn leaves more room in the mainstream avenues for lower quality but broadly appealing music.
The other factor is the accessibility of the technology to make and share music, which I think makes it easier for both "good" and "bad" music to find it's way outside of the artist's bedroom, so to speak.
- well said. well said. you dont exactly need a record company for your music to reach an audience these days, you can do what you like and no one can say 'this wont sell, fuck off,' you can have your own small audience that loves and respects you.
  but another argument is that the current 'top' artists are 'on the top' because they have their names. if they published an album with another name, i believe it would be challenged. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, Stephen King gained significant popularity as a horror writer. However, he wanted to test if his success was solely due to his name or if his writing could stand on its own. To do this, King created the pen name Richard Bachman, and people loved the supposed Richard Bachman books.

An urge to destroy fascism.

My old person trait is nothing on the internet should expect a fee for use, streaming services excluded.

I remember the days when you paid for having the internet and that's it. No content hidden behind some patron paywall or membership fee. Content was willfully shared and distrubuted because that's what the internet is for that and infornation.

Content was willfully shared and distrubuted because that's what the internet is for that and infornation.
This is still going on, just saying.

Videos should be landscape, 4:3 preferably, not portrait.
When I turn on a computer, it should be ready (and pref say READY) in a few seconds, not minutes and need Internet access.
Email should be fully punctuated, have correct grammar and a premise, argument, and conclusions.
I'm tolerant on short SMS or pager texts, but if it's used as immediate mail, all texts, IM, and social media messages should also be like #3.

When I turn on a computer, it should be ready (and pref say READY) in a few seconds, not minutes and need Internet access.
As someone who's been computer bound for the last 30 years it was a big shock that when I recently dropped a hefty sum on my latest pc with all the top of the line processor, gpu, cooling, and more memory and power than I've ever had at my fingertips... and it takes 3 and a half minutes longer to load than my last one and is sensitive to electrostatic discharge causing bsod shutdowns.

Taking notes with a pencil. Since everyone likes to type their notes. I don’t.

I prefer the feel of a fountain pen, myself.
- Which one you sportin'

My old person trait is thinking a family should be able to live in a house if one member has a stable job (maybe two people if both are at minimum wage).

You can, as long as that one member makes $200k+. It's your fault you're poor, weirdo
- You can also live in a lower cost of living area and accomplish it.
Necessities for children should be provided or paid for by government
Edit: not sure about this anymore

I don't understand TikTok... at all. Like, what's even the point as a user?

It wastes time, some people don't have anything better to do with their lives.
- "some people"
TikTok is a lot of fun if you give the algorithm a mintue to figure you out. I haven't seen any dancing videos, I have never watched the demilios or whatever, it is a pretty different experience depending on what you like. It is mostly golf tips, sports highlights, crafts and funny stuff for me.
- See, I still don't understand how that could possibly be better than watching longer, more insightful content in a platform like Youtube.

My fucking back hurts. Knee joints as well. And I think socializing is overrated.

These aren't "old person traits". It's common sense.

- Yea, you owe people common courtesy.

I get worked up over other people's spatial awareness, especially as it relates to walking on a sidewalk or driving. People will take up all the space on a sidewalk, they will open their doors as cars are going by, they will walk out into traffic, they move around as if other people do not exist, they will stand and congregate in the middle of a walkway. I find it wildly disrespectful and dangerous. I feel like when I'm driving people are constantly putting their wellbeing into my hands and gambling that I have the skills and awareness to not let them get in a wreck or get run over. When I am walking down the sidewalk, I feel few people are managing space in a way that keeps the sidewalk available to as many people as possible while other people are basically pushing me off the sidewalk entirely so they can all walk like a wall, or bulldozer.

Glenn Howerton, is that you?
- The actor? Does he also shake his fist at the sky because zoomers cant walk right?

My actual old people trait is that there should be two spaces after a period. I will die on this stupid fucking hill. Even though computers automatically change it to one space. Like here.

I'd downvote but I've come to the understanding that I shouldn't downvote if I disagree, so... Take my upvote, truly an old people trait
It was necessary with typewriters.
Then the earliest word processing programs didn’t do layout well, so the habit made the leap to computers.
Then years later it’s seen as an old person’s habit by people who’ve only ever known systems with smart text layout.
- One of the best conversations I ever had was when I had taken psilocybin mushrooms and was wandering around downtown and found my way to the local typewriter museum.
  I was stoned out of my gourd, but wildly, I don't think that was evident to the historian, because he eagerly answered all my questions and showed me all manner of typewriters and early word processors.
  It was wonderful. We truly do stand on the shoulders of giants, all of humanity stands on the knowledge of those who came before. The history of technology is amazing.

Everybody should be in bed by 11pm, midnight on the weekends. Nothing good happens after that. Get your beauty sleep.

My work shift doesn't even end by that time!
- It does now! Get your beauty sleep! 😂

My old person trait is that often prefer phonecalls over text messages.

I'm okay with instant messaging, but similar feeling.
Give me a full keyboard or give me death. I fucking hate typing on the chiclets of a virtual keyboard.

Mine is I get unreasonably annoyed whenever teenagers are loud in public places.

Mine is very similar. Loudness annoys me but the rest of the inconsiderate behavior that seems to be more common to teenagers drives me bonkers. My teenage neighbors moved last week. First, they did not first empty the elevator of the 50 apartment building but tried to take stuff directly to the car after cigarette break. While three people were waiting to use elevator. Then they left some furniture in entrance hall that would be whatever but by doing it they blocked two doors to building common storages that are commonly used until late next day. Another thing is littering when the trash baskets are right there. And yes, I said something and felt like old man screaming for them to get out of my lawn. I guess I have reachem my rackety old man stage while being thirty something woman.

Just installed a messenger. It uses more RAM than my first PC had for displaying a simple, empty list. I find that inexcusable.

Electron is built on several layers of inefficiencies that each grant ease of development. We also have a thousand times more RAM than we did back then. I think it's a fair trade.

Likely an outdated one, or one that's already been given a number of times, but – Physical Books.

I'm not entirely 'anti' e-reader, the benefits are obvious. I'm just VERY pro physical book.

I love physical books, but I love eReaders more. I've loved digital books since before digital books existed.
My love for digital books started when I was in college, and was lugging around a backpack full of fucking heavy dead trees. I spent countless hours fantasizing about a future where I could carry my entire library around in a single, small device.
You often see the lament: "it's the future! Where's my flying car‽" But, my friend, we are living in the future, one where my most cherished desire - the ability to literally fit every book I own into a single portable device - has come true.
I even have a second device, the dimensions of a standard US sheet of paper, on which I can write and easily read PDFs formatted for print; I can even run OCR on the notes and get pretty good results - this eliminated the endless, unsearchable notebooks that were my second plague. One day, this device will be foldable, and I'll be able to combine the two uses into one device.
I do still own, and occasionally buy, paper books. When I do, they're books I've already greatly enjoyed, and want to have hard-bound copies of. I curtail this behavior, as I've moved home a dozen times in my life already, and each time culled large portions of my library. For years, nobody accepts paper books, and they mostly go to recycling, which I always fine painful. It's one of the worst parts of moving, choosing either to haul around more heavy boxes or send less cherished books to be destroyed. The books I do buy are destined for the bookshelf; I buy these only for nostalgia, and it is unlikely that their spines will ever be broken.
My true love is e-ink; my library exists both on my computer (backed up) and on my eReader, always and fully accessible whether at home or travelling, and never taking up more space than a notepad. I had moved on long before the means to move on were available, and have never looked back.
- If you're in the UK, next-time you're forced to do a cull, try to see if you can find (or just start) a Bookcycle/Shelfcycle nearby. There aren't many yet but they're growing. It's a charity explicitly designed to do a better job of valuing donated books than existing infrastructure. They worked out that places like schools in developing worlds can often make great use of the books that other charity shops would destroy because they don't sell quickly in UK charity book shops. So Bookcycle sells the ones that would to raise funds to send the ones that wouldn't as a donation to communities that would value them. They try really hard not to destroy any book that someone might still find value in somewhere.

Driving slow, leaving early and arriving early. I usually drive a bit below the speed limit, and always follow speed limit signs. It keeps people safe, even if their own impatience makes them tailgate eachother 10 cars in a row behind me. Some people like to be in a hurry when they drive and don't know how to relax and drive calmly, I've never been sure why.

I'm with you minus the driving below the speed limit thing.
Why would you do that?

Being annoyed by kids these days wanting this new thing called "money" in exchange for necessities

My old person trait is that I think ‘ghosting’ is completely unacceptable and you owe the other person a face-to-face conversation.

Sadly "ghosting" is the norm where I'm from. Sadly.

My phone opens links in a browser and they don't work in the browser ¯⁠\⁠_⁠ʘ⁠‿⁠ʘ⁠_⁠/⁠¯

is that the new shrug face? dear god....
- I'm old so I doubt very much that it's new lol

my old person trait is that i am a 30 year old caravanner