Is there any, any takeaways at all from the next 4 years that's about to happen?
I just ask incase someone has something enlightening to say. Is there going to be any level of sanity left, anywhere, while the government is going to be the nightmare circus that it'll be in within these next 4 years?
The decision Americans just made will have catastrophic effects on our democracy. We will, absolutely, be living with the negative effects of this decision for the remainder of our lives.
One guarantee is that we will have an ultra conservative Supreme Court for the remainder of our lives. In just the last few years an ultra conservative Supreme Court has removed women's federally protected right to bodily autonomy and decided that presidents are above the law and cannot be held accountable for anything they do while in office. Decisions like that will now continue for the rest of our lives, slowly altering the society we live in, and most likely rendering it unrecognizable by the time we die.
Trump ran on fundamentally changing our government, including dismantling the public educational system. He plans on making an anti-vaxxer the head of the Department of Health. We know Trump only helps those who benefit him personally. That means Ukraine is gone. That means Palestine is gone (I hope the liberals and independents that voted 3rd party or didn't vote over Palestine are happy about that one). Russia will expand their borders and threaten Europe. We will lose allies.
Trump and Elon Musk are vehemently anti-union. We will start seeing anti-union laws, weaking worker's rights and bargaining power. Obviously we will see a continuation and expansion of the persecution of immigrants and LGBTQ+. They promised mass deportations, which will remove a ton of cheap labor from our nation, which will negatively affect our economy.
In addition to the lifelong ultra-conservative Supreme Court we will see our federal courts stacked with conservative judges who will help push through the will of the Republican party for the remainder of our lives.
We've all heard about the tariffs. If you thought life was expensive now, buckle up. Donald Trump has filed for bankruptcy multiple times and has a rap sheet of failed businesses a mile long. He is not a good businessman and has absolutely no idea how to run a national economy. Even before the pandemic we were seeing the negative effects he was having on our economy. All metrics showed that post-pandemic we were recovering better than any other nation. You can kiss that goodbye.
The Repbulican party historically favors the wealthy, removing roadblocks designed to keep them in check, which ends up weakening the positions of average Americans. Trump will accelerate that. Prepare to watch the wealthy become even more powerful and average Americans lose what little power we have.
The last time they wre in total control the Republican party promised to address healthcare and infrastructure. They failed to do both. The Democrat president that came before addressed healthcare. The Democrat president that came after addressed infrastructure. Do not expect the Republican party to do anything to assist the average American.
I believe a lot of Americans live under the impression that no matter how bad things get, we can hit the reset button every 4-8 years. That simply isn't true. Even under a "normal" administration things can be set in place that are permanent, or that can only be changed through extreme effort over long periods of time. This administration promised changes to our government that cannot be undone without historically significant events, like war or revolution. They promised to change our system in such a way as to provide themselves with a permanent power shift. They attempted to overturn the last election. They've spoken about dealing with "the enemy within". Their representatives do not care about science. Their ranks are filled with conspiracy theorists. We just gave the keys to the kingdom to extremists with little to no government experience.
Make no mistake about this. What we just did changed the political paradigm for the rest of our lives and set us on a path of undeniable decline based on what we already know about Trump and the Republican party's history.
We just made a very, very large historical mistake. And we absolutely deserve the suffering that is to come, because it's our own fault. Be prepared for very hard times for the foreseeable future. Plan accordingly.
Straight up. We're entering a period of likely suffering and that's that.
Even before the pandemic we were seeing the negative effects he was having on our economy.
Let's not beat around the bush here: trying to stave off the impending recession due to Trump's disastrous tax giveaway to the wealthy and trade war with China is why the Fed was already lowering interest rates in 2019, and therefore had no levers left to pull when the pandemic hit.
IMO the pandemic actually helped Trump by letting him off the hook for his economic fuck-ups.
But "businessman good", right?
Lol. We're a nation of utter failures.
Tariffs. I worked for a truck equipment company in 2017 when Trump implemented 10% on Chinese steel and 25% on aluminum. My customers just about unanimously voted for Trump. It was pretty amazing to explain I was selling them the same exact equipment made from the same exact Chinese metal, but it now cost more for them to buy. China didn't give a fuck, China sold the same amount of metal it did as before and it certainly didn't pay the tariff - that is a US-side payment. That's how tariffs work.
And no, ignoring the part where American production would be too expensive, we don't even have the processing capacity here to fire up the mills. It's not coming back.
Agreed, but not being American, other countries will also suffer from this as well. Obviously it will be worse living there, but it will be felt in many other places that had no say in the outcome.
Demonizing people who disagree with you makes them dig in their heels and elect the dangerous candidate and party, in spite of their best interests. Demonizing those people feels satisfying and necessary in the moment, but it ultimately backfires.
The so-called enlightened people can't be counted on to vote. (I say this as one of those so-called enlightened people, albeit not in your country and therefore unable to shift the balance with you. I vote in every one of my country's elections, I strongly dislike the leader of the party I need to vote defensively for. I do it anyway.)
Until you folks figure these two things out, this is your new reality.
(I don't think you can save many of the extremists, but you folks could relatively easily stop the extremist factory by deploying more strategic compassion. But that's just, like, my opinion, man.)
The System is held together with baling wire and gum. Never forget that.
You will get through this, but you might need help and to help others along the way. I wish you many goods and cheese.
Fuckin' preach. It's easy to see that it's all shadows on the wall once you're out of the cave. That doesn't make the people chained up inside any less intelligent or human. There's something else keeping them there, and it's hard to be convinced that something you've lived with your entire life is chaining you down.
The "they called me racist, so now I'm going to hate immigrants harder!" memes are both more real and more damaging than anyone, self-included, realized.
Demonizing people who disagree with you makes them dig in their heels and elect the dangerous candidate and party, in spite of their best interests. Demonizing those people feels satisfying and necessary in the moment, but it ultimately backfires.
The so-called enlightened people can't be counted on to vote. (I say this as one of those so-called enlightened people, albeit not in your country and therefore unable to shift the balance with you.)
Until you folks figure these two things out, this is your new reality.
This is absolutely right. There's been an arrogance and complacency from moderate parties in the West over the last 20 years, assuming that the electorate will just automatically vote for them regardless. Now they've got to try and get these people back from the extremes, which is going to be harder to do than if they hadn't taken them for granted before.
Ðeıṙ aṙ tu Trump votṙz. Ð ƿėn hu votid f ð bigitcrı, æ ð ƿėn hu did'n vot ėgenſt it.
Boþ aṙ ıqėlı dizṙvıŋ v dju̇djmint f ſelıŋ ð reſt v U̇ aut.
Auṙ ėbyuzṙz aṙ n entuıtėld t U̇ bııŋ ð bigṙ pṙſėn bikȯz bııŋ tcrıtid luık Ðı þru i ƿið Fæciſtſ, ƿitc Ðı 1,000,000% did, hṙtſ Ðı'ṙ pƿecėſ ƿitėl fılıŋgz.
Yea - we'll see how resistant the world will be to America going off its rocker.
I suspect most things will go pretty well outside of countries with deep economic ties to America unless Trump goes full crazy and openly backs Russian expansionism.
Most countries have deep economic ties to most wealthy countries, we're in a global economy. Even subsistence farmers in subsaharan Africa buy more of their seeds than you can imagine from Chinese companies that do the bulk of their R&D in the US and western Europe, if US policy becomes extremely isolationist that will affect them.
Also, the US is one of the biggest climate emitors, if that ramps up instead of decreasing the whole world will feel that too.
Best of luck!
Trump goes full crazy and openly backs Russian expansionism.
This is exactly what will happen.
Trump's primary trait is to only help people that serve his personal interests. Putin does that. We can kiss Ukraine goodbye (one less democracy in the world) and we will now have to worry about Russia expanding and threatening Europe.
I’ve been trying to find some excuses to be optimistic. Here’s a few potential silver linings:
Do these help during the next 4 years? Not really, but go vote in the fucking primary in 2026 and nominate congressional candidates who want to talk about progressive policies. A little bit of hope goes a long way. Moderates don’t offer hope. 2016-2020 felt bearable because I thought Sanders would have a chance in 2020. I need some hope for 2028.
Also vote in your local elections in 2025 and 2027 too.
You've reminded me about the 2026 primaries. If anything is to go right, it'll soften the blow of what we're going to be dealing with between January of next year up until that election. The mid-terms will be interesting and hopefully, some voters will be paying attention enough to make things tolerable.
America will withdraw from anywhere without a direct financial benefit to the administration. This creates a vacuum and blind spots that will be filled by the US's adversaries, creating an even more opaque playing field for the US.
Heavily tarrifed sales to the US will be paid for by the US citizens while at the same time non US companies will see their sales in the US decline. If he removes income tax, this might be a bump in take home, but won't offset the rise in prices, especially not if US companies will just raise their prices to as close as possible match the non US alternatives making record profits.
Trump will demand countries pay for us protection, but having shown to be unreliable, this might mean some short term income for the US, the countries will scramble to be independent from the US and the US MIC as they cannot be trusted either (the us might stop sales, or even turn of supplied weapons).
The same for Ukraine, most likely Trump will just tell Europe to poney up the money and as long as the EU has no alternative they will have to, or they will allow Ukraine to fall, blaming it on trump. Regardless the relationship between the US and the EU will dramatically sour.
Since the EU is in an energy crisis, most likely Trump will try to price gouge the EU here as well.. on the other hand, drill baby drill could mean cheaper energy overall giving him severe leverage over countries in the middle east.
Sanity will be in non-compliance.
Don't comply with anything. Involve yourself in governance locally if you can. Work with your district or state. Disobey anything going against your principles.
If you cannot get involved, see what you can do as a private citizen. Who could you hide in your anttic, figuratively speaking (hopefully).
The US is not such a strong federal state. You make it real by believing in it.
Stop believing in it. It is dead.
The United States of America will die as we know it
Only 4 years? Nah, this is going to last decades, unless climate change takes us all out faster than we expect, and it's going to be a dictatorship. One of the most dangerous dictatorships in history based solely on the massive military the USA has
we need to assisnate people more
Just about every single Internet platform or service which you can now access for free, will cease to be free. Internet access itself will be 3 to 4 times more expensive. Digital Surveillance will increase geometrically across the board.
Spoken from a European perspective: within a few decades, the US will lose its status as a superpower as it slides into isolationism. You simply cannot be both isolationist and a military and economic superpower. Add to it that much tech is still in the US, but people are waking up to the inherent vulnerability in that. Think government data being on US servers.
These developments will hurt the entire world in the short term and new superpowers will rise. Russia has had its day, but China and India will be the top dogs. I am not discounting Brazil either as a local superpower is South-America. We do probably not want it, but they have the people and the production capacity.
The next four years will accelerate all that. I have already read the first questions about F-35 warplanes being a wise choice as the US could potentially disable them remotely. That would turn them into expensive paperweights at the whim of the US. If the US themselves are less than stable, that would be a very precarious situation.
Iðṙ ð ekſelṙeıcėniſtſ aṙ ėbaut t bı pruvin kėrekt, oṙ Ƿ get t heıŋ ðem a frėm Đıṙ nipėlz ƿen letıŋ him ƿin ėgen dėz n tıtc enıƿėn enı leſėnz.
Don't forget that Trump is completely inept and this time doesn't have any help from people even trying to be "the adults in the room". He's made some huge huge promises and I just don't think he has the ability or the team to make much of it happen.
Nah, with Trump's obvious mental decline he'll not finish his term. Maybe 2-3 years. And I hear people say Vance is much worst.
Since he won the popular vote too no revolt is happening. Arm yourself if you aren't a white christian who is straight. Speak up when they come for the immigrants, speak up when they come for queer folk, speak up when they come for women, and just maybe someone will still be there when they come for you.
Don't forget to speak up for the disabled and atheists as well.
Here's an unfortunate hint: we're gonna have to speak up for everyone, even his own voters.
Atheist Jew here. They really hate me.