The NYPD has stopped tens of thousands of people under Mayor Adams. Just 5% were white.
The NYPD has stopped tens of thousands of people under Mayor Adams. Just 5% were white.
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That is honestly sobering. And depressing.
Mostly sobering, because I was happily drunk before reading this.
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I think we should stop and frisk on anyone with a suit that looks too expensive or in a limo. Check them for stuff like mortgage backed securities.
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For those wondering, 5% of 10,000 people is 500 people.
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So math time. NYC has a 41% white demographic.
If all 5% white people stopped were legit stops, my calculator says only 12.19% of the stops were legitimate.
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Oh boy amateur racial crime stats
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Yes.
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This doesn't seem like a bestness of fit test. What type of statistical test did you run?
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Are you factoring in the commuter population and tourists and students and long Islanders there to get drunk on Friday night?
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So only 7.56% of all police stops of non-white people were legit? (10.05+x0.95=.1219, x=0.0756)
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Is that disproportionate to the crime rate? If not, then I'm not sure how this is Mayor Adams' fault.
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One of the issues with following a crime rate is that it perpetuates discrimination.
Even if two groups have the exact same probability of, for example, carrying illegal substances, racist targeting will mean your crime rate will continue to reflect that one group “seems worse”.
You don’t spot crime where you dont look for it.
That’s why it’s important to tackle these issues and make sure there is no racial targeting.
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As an example:
Imagine, for the sake of argument, both white people and black people have a 50% chance of possessing weed (not that weed should even be criminalized, but you get the idea).
Now also let's take a group of 100 people, assuming 80 are white and 20 are black. Given the above weed possession rate, we can say there are 40 weed-carrying white people and 10 weed-carrying black people.
Now imagine cops last year searched 20% of the total population, 90% of those searched being black and 10% being white. Thus, last year, 18 black people were searched and only 2 white people. Of these searched people, 9 black people were caught in possession of weed vs 1 white person.
Thus, the newspapers can now publish "9 black criminals for every 1 white criminal!", and so the police decide to continue mostly searching black people this year.
Same underlying crime rates, but searching one demographic more skews the resulting arrest record and seemingly justifies further discriminatory enforcement.
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Yep.
If you're only stopping people in cargo shorts to search them for drugs, you're only going to find drugs on people wearing cargo shorts.
Doesn't mean they're the only ones carrying drugs around. They're just waaaaay more likely to get caught because they're the ones getting searched
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from the article:
Black and Latino people are “much less likely to get arrested because the stops are bogus from the get-go,”
so, no. the disproportionate number of stops is not because of differences in crime rates. but also, it should be pretty obvious that white people (who are around 30% of the NYC population) should account for more than just 5% of crimes, even considering that more crime will be committed by poor people, and that poor people will be disproportionately non-white.
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Funny thing about the crime rate, if you only hunt for the black criminals, that's what you're gonna find.
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Skin color has nothing to do with crime rates. You can tell if a system is racist by looking at its rates compared to demographics. Only stopping 5% white people when their population in the area is 60% is a red flag. Essential being a white criminal in that area was like being invisible.
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I was coming here to post that certain people will use this statistic to claim 95% of crime is committed by non-whites.
But I think you just saved me the trouble by demonstrating my point
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Derailing answer for a good faith inquiry.
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Yes. Most studies show blacks commit a majority of the crimes but not 95% https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/year-end-2022-enforcement-report.pdf
The arrest rate is around 43% for black people. White is about 17%.
The issue, though, is this is stop and frisk. It is just an excuse to stop people. It isn't effective law enforcement.
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Yes. Most studies show blacks commit a majority of the crimes but not 95%
That logic only works under the assumption everyone that commits a crime is caught...
Which is incredibly naive.
You should use "convicted of crimes" not "committed crimes". And even then, that's ignoring how our justice system uses insane prison sentences to make people take plea deals. So innocent people are coerced into pleasing guilty to avoid jail.
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Actually commit, or arrested for, or convicted for? I’m on mobile and can’t dive the PDF, but “commit” sounds like it’s a denominator, not a numerator.
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We're not talking about arrests we're talking about stops of pedestrians, so none of what you said after the first sentence is relevant.
The NYPD has stopped tens of thousands of pedestrians since Mayor Eric Adams took office – claiming someone “fit a relevant description” or citing a vague reason like “other.” Just 5% of them were white, revealing racial disparities even starker than at the height of former Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s “stop and frisk” era.
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Holy shit, looks like some people LIKE to get race-baited. They ACTIVELY look for reasons to be baited.
First off the demographics of NYC: 39% White, 23% Black, 27% Hispanic, 13% Asian.
Secondly, the demographics for the NY Police Force: There are MORE minority Police Officers (11,700) than there are white ones (10,500). There are almost as many minority Detectives (2,200) as there are white ones (2,900).
Lastly, do we have to remind everyone who the mayor of NYC is? Newsflash, it's this guy: https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2021/11/02/ap_21299839634856-15de819fbdc2d00eb39794e510225e27a5f60ec3-s1600-c85.webp
But with ALLLLL that, the first thing that people do is jump to the "It'S aLL RaCiSm!1!!!".
You people need to go outside more. You are talking about one of the most diverse cities in the country, with one of the smallest populations of white people, with a police department that is made up of a majority of minority groups and a black mayor. And with all that, you immediately jump to the bullshit that racism is at place.
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You don't get a "Get Out of Racism Free" card if you're born a minority, you know.
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You misspelled victimhood. This is a city that is nearly split evenly between 3 races (roughly 30% of the population each). In that kind of place, you are not a "minority" unless you want to endlessly be called a victim because you know that will get your special treatment.
This is a place with a black mayor, with majority black police officers, and yet victims still want to cry racism.
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You're so not racist that you circled around and became racist. Minorities can be racist. The mayor being a black man doesn't mean racism is dead you walnut. FFS has everyone forgotten NWA??
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So 40% of the population is only being stopped 5% of the time while the other 60% are stopped 95% of the time? Why didn't you include this statistic with your others? Your superficial argument boils down to someone saying "I'm not racist. A friend of mine is black!"
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Is anyone supprised?
I imagine there are at least some Adams voters out there who thought a "law and order" candidate would be totally different this time because he was black
But the truth is ACAB.
Probably should have voted based on the content of his character. Never mind they'll have another chance to do that in four years time. Although having said that he might be up against someone whose character is even worse.
Not one lick. I knew as soon as Adams started playing that whole 'tough on crime' angle, that he'd Tom out for the Fraternal Orders. This is what happens when you tapdance for the settlers. More 'criminals', more recidivism, no rehabilitation. Adams has the blood of his own people on his hands; and I for one hope it tortures him at night when he lays his head down and tries to sleep.
You're calling him an Uncle Tom?
me. like obviously I knew this was a problem but I expected to be maybe 50% of stops being white, so would still be vastly over-representing minorities but 95% is mind boggling.