Hexbear admin just sent me this.
The DM was a DM asking us to change our no tankies policy and remove the fuck tankies banner as it was apparently upsetting hexbear users. Apparently tankies view the word tankie as a form of slur. The admin wants us to ally as a form of "left solidarity"
some people want to post here but are repelled by "fuck tankies?"
good.
that is the intended functionality of the banner.
Generally speaking, people offended by this are either:
maybe having something leftist in the banner or some place like that could help the former, but I wouldnt remove the message, as it acts as a soft filter for the latter.
I dont understand what this means. What does the dept of naval intelligence have to do with this post on lemmy.blahaj.zone
Bro watch your ankles when you pivot like that :3
How about fuck anyone who works for the Chinese disinformation and propaganda arm. Fuck anyone who censors their citizen’s internet. Fuck anyone who is actively committing genocide against minorities within their country.
Works both ways!
yeah. fuck tankies. that's the thoughts.
Tankies mad they're being called tankies?
Drawing a comparison to the use of "woke" is fucking hilarious. Only one of those terms is actually an insult, and the insinuation that both of those terms are the same says a lot about their perspective.
The fact they feel the phrase fuck tankies is acting as a barrier to their participation in 196 should be a wake up call for them to examine their political views.
Unlike their use of the word liberal, which they use to refer to everyone to the right of them on the political spectrum, we are using the word tankie for a single specific group. Tankie means authoritarian communist. Please keep the sign.
I am a social democrat. I think we should elect socialist politicians through our existing democracy. The socialist politicians will then vote on legislation to regulate the economy and ensure that corporations do not gain an outsized influence in the free market.
Have you ever heard of anarchism and mutual aid
Yeah, definitely not. "Tankie" isn't some mostly meaningless word like "woke", it's a very specific belief in authoritarian self-declared, so-called "communist" states (USSR, China, North Korea, et al).
They claim to be for revolution and then turn around and give 100% blind obedience to the newly installed leaders. Pointing out their immense power or bad actions gets you called brainwashed, a reactionary, or counter-revolutionary. They win gold in mental gymnastics in regards to how the new ruling class totally doesn't count as a ruling class, how the state doesn't count as a state, how the money doesn't count as money, and how it's still communism even though not a single one of those prerequisites has ever been met.
They don't take down systems of oppression, they replace them and refuse to believe it isn't the greatest idea anyone's ever had. Here's a hint: if your "revolutionary" party demands absolute loyalty, they probably aren't as great as they say.
I totally agree with your definition here, but I'd add there are some on the right who use this term to describe and dismiss almost anyone on the left. The right consistently wages war on language, co-opting words with existing definitions and changing them to suit their agenda. "Woke" is one example of this, as is "critical race theory."
I don't think I've ever seen a mainstream right wing talking head say "tankie" and frankly I'd be impressed if they even admitted they knew the difference between the various factions of the left instead of grouping them all together. Seriously, "liberal" and "Marxist" are completely interchangeable in right rhetoric.
I say I have to agree. Leftist infighting is cringe AF. Disagree w/ people all you want, but gatekeeping and name calling is just silly
I think it's reasonable to want to have a space that's free from people that defend authoritarian regimes. From my perspective, at least, 196 has always been a more anarchist-oriented space, and I think it makes sense to try to preserve that.
I'd also make the distinction that they are not banned from this forum, in the same way that libs are not banned from posting on their instance -- but those that post there are generally met with hostility, and that preserves the character of their space. I don't see why we shouldn't do the same.
Not to mention that this sub is unapologetically pro LGBT while practically every authoritarian government (including particularly those that tankies support) has been anti LGBT. eg, China prohibits same sex marriage and adoption, while forcing trans people to get permission from their family to transition (spoiler alert: they ain't progressive).
Democratic socialism with actual equality for all (which goes hand in hand with the root issue socialism is supposed to solve) makes sense and is reasonable. But that's not what tankies support. They're defined by support for authoritarian states that have nothing to do with equality except pretending that they care about it.
YUP
Fuck authoritarianism, I don’t care what side of the isle it’s from.
Tolerating putin simps is even more cringe.
Nah g fuck authoritarians. Every time authoritarians take power the first thing they do is murder all the non-authoritarian leftists that fell for the "left unity" meme. And I reckon that making excuses for the genocide of minorities and oppression of LGBT+ folk is a bit of a shit cunt move.
Based just on what's in this post and not knowing much history about it, I'm where you are right now too. If their concern is "tankie" includes unobjectionable stuff, we can at least give them the opportunity to give us some examples to make their point. If they can come up with stuff that we agree often gets the "tankie" label applied to it but is actually consistent with this instance's core principles, then we should hear them out. But if they are like "well, CCP is actually based," then no thanks.
Just go to hexbear.net for 5 minutes and you will see that it is full of people going "CCP/Russia/North Korea is based"
I'm an Eastern European leftie whose peasant ancestors (not all of them, obviously) suffered through famine, unspeakable state-sanctioned violence and extended prison terms during Stalinism and through decades of opression afterwards. The intergenerational trauma is something we're all still struggling with. I cannot bear to hear the "Well, you need to break some eggs in order to make omelette"-type of negationist twaddle and each day is a reminder of how the authoritarian postwar regimes have made it damn near impossible to resurrect the Left in the region. Don't just fuck tankies, feed them rancid cum only.
Imagine simping for a genocidal Russia with their homophobic and transphobic laws and still wanting to post on 196. Good on you for keeping the banner up. Fuck tankies.
Look I am sure many of those places have done great things, like China's recent wage cuts for rich bankers and pay rises for those lower on the totem pole, a good thing give credit where credit is due. But. How can you possibly remove the Bourgeois then place yourself at the top of the totem pole and not think of yourself as the new Bourgeoisie?
Yes every violent revolution is going to be authoritarian because you have lined people against the wall and you are not going to get every dissenter in the first round and unsurprisingly they are going to be pissed. So now you have a violent government and and a violent opposition, not exactly fun times for everyone stuck in the middle, Which once that happens is not just the liberals as many hexbears use as an insult for everyone not Auth-Left but basically the whole political spectrum that aren't on the far ends.
A benevolent dictatorship is going to be the absolute best form of government you could possibly ever have but. You are never going to have one. The people at the top want to be at the top, and the people who want to be at the top are always going to be bastards.
You think that Authoritarianism is needed to keep the revolution going. Definitely correct if you do it through a coup. I don't want to be under a nation that will silence me or worse because I criticise them. You can call that counter-revolutionary if you like but I would rather have incremental improvements where things get better slowly than everything is worse now and you just got to believe that things will get better, and our leaders plans will all just work out.
Tankie is a slur against Auth-Left. If you are Auth-Left well that's the slur people who don't like you are going to use.
To pivot on what this original post was likely created for (admittedly in a pretty bad way). Hexbear is full of some really crazy people who have very strong opinions and shout memes that make sense in Hexbear but don't really out of it. 90% of Hexbears just seem so unhinged. If I see someone from Hexbear it makes me skittish to actually start a discussion with that person as there is a high chance they are just going to be hostile.
I think if a person feels offended by a generic "fuck tankies" in the banner, then that person is probably a tankie. Fuck tankies.
terf is a slur 🤝 tankies is a slur
the worst people on the internet
Fuck. Tankies.
but.. but.. BUT THE NUANCES!! :''(
a world without nuance, is a world without meaning for these guys.. you know that.. c'mon..
To be clear, what I asked for, was that the direct contents of a DM not be shared without the other parties permission. You can absolutely summarise the contents of the discussion.
Oh boy, more of Moss starting shit. This is literally bait that doesn't actually communicate anything, along with communicating something you never actually said. Moss, quit with the shitty bait posts and ableist slurs, you are a drama starter in your own community and it isn't appreciated. Malicious compliance towards Ada is a dick move.
Never send something to someone that you want private lol
Why? That doesnt make any sense. As soon as you post or DM anyone that is out in the world. If you cannot trust a party to not share your messages if you dont want them shared then dont send them. But it is the freedom of the individual to share what has been said to them. Summarizing muddies the water. Asking for this is grotesque.
DMs are by definition not public. Privacy is respect, and starting a discussion rsther than posting a screenshot of a DM would show that Moss respects the request. Basically, it shows tact and leadershio ability. Posting DM's shows a skill issue.
They, and their Lemmygrad bretheren, can fuck right off. When they're not minimising atrocities, they're writing absolute fucking treatsies on communist theory, and in general, acting like insufferable twats.
Just unbelievable really.
Fuck tankies 🖕
Yeah no, the last time I saw a discussion with a large percentage of hexbear user's, they were all praising Putin, it wasn't even on 196. So fuck them
Tankies will never be welcome
I'm sorry but you are joking right?
They shouldn't have a voice anywhere and they should be demonized and persecuted just like right-wingers.
The only thing I hate as much as a flag-waving Trump troglodyte is anyone that has even a passing positive remark about China or Russia. They are geopolitical enemies. To me, solidarity with them marks you as either an enemy or a traitor.
I just realized it's pinned. 0 self awareness.
This shit does not reflect well on the mods here.
If this is not addressed we will be defederating until this issue is resolved. https://hexbear.net/post/367898
I've held community polls and discussions for every major decision or event in this community. I figured that this was a major enough event that the public should be brought in to the discussion.
This isn't zoomer whatever the fuck this is me sticking to the way the community has operated for the past 3 months.
I thought y'all liked spreading out authority. Shouldn't the community witness the machinery of progress?
Could you link me some examples of this? I haven't been moderating these past couple days, as I've been very busy. These are heavy accusations, as I greatly value the right to discussion so if you can link me to some examples I would be more than happy to restore them and have a stern talking to with my moderators.
Freedom of association on internet communities go brrrr
And that person (me) is an anarchist to boot lol
I think all instances should block the tankies treat them the same as you would alt right because really there no different they both support facist ideologies
Honestly I agree. Fuck fascists.
Stalin literally killed Jews and gay people The only reason why they allied with us was because they viewed Germany as a bigger threat
Stalin killed jews as well stop acting like Stalin is some champion of the people he's just as much a monster as Hitler
In post WW2 Poland (as late as 1950 I think) there were around 200 work camps, organized by the new 'Communist' government, and some organized by the red army or/and NKVD. At least around 75 thousand people have died in them, most of them Germans, but a non marginal amount of them were Ukrainians, Poles and Lemkos. Not the same scale as the holocaust, no death camps, but it did happen.
Considering the background of hexbear members its more or you now a member of the putin z party
Honestly I think we should change our banner.
On the app Jerboa at least it's hard to see that it says fuck tankies, it really should be more clear.
Perhaps having it off to one side, split across both sides, mentioned on both sides, across the bottom 3 times, etc. IDK graphic design is hard.
lmao fuck tankies
Tankies deserve to be made fun of
Fuck tankies, and fuck Hexbear and Exploding-Heads.
It's telling they fellt the need to defederate first. They need to controll their narrative, otherwise their views might get challenged and their tankie idiology starts to crumble.
I am for left unity, but tankies always try to strongarm the discussion and don't really argue on good faith. They don't respect any idiology other then theirs.
Probably the best outcome, even if it's a pity losing their more reasonable users.
Yeah, nah, yeah, FUCK TANKIES
Fuck tankies.
Keep the banner.
Blahaj ain't hexbear, if they want to auth com it up they can do it on their instance - nothing stopping them from making a tankie 196
Fun fact, there's a tankie version of 196 on Lemmygrad
I know because when browsing all I stumbled onto it
I blocked it when I found it
Fuck tankies
Fuck tankies.
Please utilize the spoiler tag and label these as NSFL
Like this
What does vaush have to do with anything
Fuck tankies
Yeah that's literally your admin
Rather than trying to start a conspiracy, why not just ask your admin if they sent the message in question?
I can think of a simple explanation. The mod in the screen shot, C4RC0S4, copied and pasted the original message they received from the Hexbear admin and sent it as a message to the mod, Moss's alt, who posted that message as a screen shot. edit: typo
"Tankies" is used to mean several different things, from the horrible pro-Putin stuff over on lemmygrad to anything left of liberal. I'm reminded of how the right wing of the UK labour party called their sabotage of Corbyn "Trot hunting"
I spread the word on any instance having a discussion about it. lemm.ee currently has a post up about federating with Hexbear.
The word is "fuck tankies with a rake." If they do end up federated with Hexbear, I would consider defederating from lemm.ee. But, that's just my personal take. Blahaj isn't my home instance.
I agree with not tolerating tankies.
This seems a little.... dramatic, however. Please take care of yourself - I know how drama can be and if you are anything like me the urge to reply ASAP can cause anxiety and stress and taking time to breathe may be helpful. Especially with tankies and a more general variety of internet folks who can make people feel the need to constantly watch anything you say cus they tend to pick up on some tiny thing and run with it or engage in bad faith :/ nya
Moss don't be leaking DM's in the future. You need to be tactical to be socially responsible. You could ask us - should we remove the banner? Or make a post saying that it may be upsetting Hexbears. I think the sentiment would have gone absolutely the same without showing your cards.
Dude can post anything sent to him
I want less politics in my feed and I'm tired of their veiled attempt to put more in mine ::: spoiler (which includes politics from this community) I came here for memes that are positive LGBTQ, not memes that are negative against other people (by politics, I mean negative posts)
Edit:
I should also probably mention that I am not pro-tankie, putin's invasion is a horrifying massacre and should be treated as such
I suppose there's a struggle in my head between not wanting negative content in my feed, and actively wanting to know about and help with issues, as well as wanting to address those working against what I care about (i.e. tankies) :::
Sorry but the reality is that pro-queer content is always going to be intertwined with politics. Especially trans positive stuff.
I feel you on the wanting less political stuff but still wanting to be informed.
Honestly it was the main reason for making multiple accounts on multiple instances for me.
One account subbed to memes, one subbed to news, etc.
I've got a few alt accounts and I'd recommend it so that you can more control news hitting your feed vs memes.
I've tried stuff like that, but the issue is that there are politics/conflict everywhere, even in memes communities
Hexbears are depleting their year's supply of copium. Oh, I just remembered: I joined this instance because of Vaush.
Ew Vaush. He's transphobic and racist and a loooot of other things.
Who asked
What the fuck is a tankie?
A person who praises authoritarianism with a communist bend. Think people who like North Korea and it's great leader, but live somewhere like the USA.
If the person saying it is a leftist, they mean authoritarian leftists, the sort of people who unironically praise Mao and are very positive towards modern-day China. If the person saying this is more right-wing, replace "tankie" with "commie scum" when you're reading and you'll get what they mean just fine.
Accurate as fuck
An authoritarian leftist.
how about you leave our instance with your spam community (that happens to be the only place on blahaj lemmy I've seen blatant transphobia be posted)
Edit: remembered the block button exists, also i haven't seen transphobia on 196 since Ada's scolding a few weeks ago
If you see any transphobia pls report it
196 on reddit was full of chasers and Va*shites so it's entirely unsurprising.
Fuck communists
Wtf is going on??
I am confused and out of the loop
Drama drama drama my advice is just skip this one
? I'm confused as to what you're trying to say
Now personally I think we have the word takie pretty well defined in our rules and have no intention of changing it. Fuck tankies, they don't belong here.
I didn't write fuck commies, or fuck libtards, (I am a vocal socialist and very far left) or anything like that, the banner is specifically about pro-auth dictator-worshipping tankies.
Holy fuck great start to federation, like just actual semantics trolling. I don't even know what else to call it, you have 0 pushback on the fact you praise dictators, it's actually amazing.
You sound fun
Not replying to anything other than pointing out that at least on my TestFlight version, Memmy properly “hid” the spoiler until I expanded it.
Being called a liberal is insulting enough. Most liberals will identify as progressives.
Ok yes I'm not calling anyone a liberal though