Sad but true
Sad but true
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At 25 I lived in a 3 bedroom, 1 bathroom house with 13 people in a beach town and chuckled to myself about how people waste so much money on having a house all to their own when they could be having so much fun, surrounded by friends every day. Sorry 25 year old me... I enjoy quiet, peeing indoors and not fighting over power usage and who left their dishes laying around.
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If you are into peeing a lot of free content
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I stopped using soap at 13 and I'm a trillionaire.
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Trickle some of that down please
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Sounds like the only thing he's trickling down is mucus
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My friend, Target has a knockoff Dove body wash for $2. Tell them to go fuck themselves.
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$5.49, but who's counting?
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Only $4.49 for me
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WTF are you guys doing over there? 0.55β¬ in Germany: https://www.dm.de/balea-cremedusche-mandelbluete-und-magnolie-p4066447234657.html
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I own a house, car, etc and I still make sure that I get every last drop of shampoo out of the bottle. Not saying that is how you save enough for down payment but just that they aren't mutually exclusive.
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The only thing that it indicates is that you're not wasteful.
But i'm thinking if you cry about it, the meaning is pretty clear.
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I'm even designing a 3D printed jig so I can securely connect any two bottles and let gravity do the work overnight.
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Same. I still believe "if you take care of the pennies the dollars take care of themselves" of course, that implies the ownership of dollars, which some do not have, so this wisdom does not always translate completely.
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"Own" is a very tricky word, when paired with "Down Payment"
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What exactly is that poorly drawn mouse-like creature actually doing, and why?
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Watering down the remaining 7-in-1 shower product because they can't afford to replenish supplies because the price of everything is too damn high.
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Running a small amount of water into a nearly empty bottle of shampoo (or body wash, etc.) allows you to get the last little bit out of the bottle. It's basically an austerity measure, a sign that a person is stretching every dollar.
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That's Jerry from Tom and Jerry
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Oh yes the American way of throwing away that last 2-3% of soap to feel rich
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I just can't figure out why top opening or pump based soaps can't just have a bottom opening spout instead. simple design issue resolves waste, good for everyone involved.
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Flip the bottle upside down in the shower caddy.
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Because that would mean less money for the brand
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Get a decent refillable pump and buy soap refills instead of dispensers. Problem solved
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I once read (ages ago, can't find the source now) that it is deliberate - because with mass produced consumer goods such as shower gel or body lotion etc. if you throw away the last 2-3 uses because they are too hard to get out of the bottle, you will buy earlier and hence more of their product. They give you effectively less than you pay for, and it adds up for them. And they get away with it because it's your choice to rather buy a new bottle for convenience. So of course, it's again because corporations are only interested in cutting corners to give you the minimum viable product possible.
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Aesthetics I guess
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My favorite was that time I was making enough to afford the payments on a mortgage but they wouldn't give me a mortgage because my credit score wasn't good enough and they were worried I couldn't make the payments even though I provided the income information that showed I could totally make the payments because fuck me for being young I guess.
So instead I spent years paying way more to rent, preventing me from saving up enough to buy much of anything.
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I'm surprised the youth of Lemmy hasn't picked up more on the "liquid soap is bad for the environment" thing. I got berated at length by my Millennial SIL (me, GenX) for using liquid soap, and because this was family, I actually did a deep dive into the subject so I could win the argument and put her in her fucking place, and it turns out she was right.
Why did I have to learn this in meatspace, and not on the internet from random kids? Things ain't right, I tell you, when my extended family knows and/or cares more about an environmental topic than left-leaning Lemmy.
Thanks for telling us why it's bad for the environment
they add preservatives because there is water
the shipping costs are higher
it's just all-around modern wasteful
Less efficient in terms of transportation - you're shipping a whole bunch of water that doesn't add to the cleaning, which takes up more space, so less soap is being carried, etc.
Plastic packaging vs paper packaging for some solid soaps.
Some shower gels have microplastics for added abrasion, but so do some soaps tbf. Still, less good at cleaning because solid soaps involve more scrubbing.
Often can't get everything out of the bottle. Some bottles don't allow you to take the cap off and fill them with water to fully empty them.
Which do you think takes more energy to ship: One pouch of Kool Aid powder or a gallon of pre-made Kool Aid?
Because everything is on fire and while using less soap and laundry detergent bottles is certainly a good goal to aim for, it is rearranging deck chairs on the titanic and worse it is rearranging deck chairs according to the directions of a captain who is trying to distract everyone from dealing with the fact that the ship is sinking.
Recycling by and large doesnβt work but corporations really donβt care because recycling is a great way to sell consumers the experience of being environmental when consuming and it provides way to shift blame and get people focused on recycling rather than the actions of big corporations.
As recycling implodes as a cultural ritual of βdoing your partβ to save the environment there has been a rise in advertisements from companies selling smaller detergent and soap bottles and I think they are trying to fulfill the same emotional need and story .
Which isnβt to say these soap bottles arenβt a good thing, but if the left leaning people you interact with arenβt focused on thisβ¦ I donβt think that is indicative of anything but the high number of existential environmental problems we face and the general refusal of neoliberal and rightwing governments to tackle them.
Basically this.
Going green is good, but the reality is it's out of the control of the average individual. Corporations sold us the blame, made us feel like we could do something so they could pass it off as our responsibility.
Even if every single low to middle income family took charge and did everything they could at their own inconvenience, the progress would still be far less in comparison to what the wealthy could achieve. Sadly, we barely ever think about this and even modern climate activists like that young Swedish girl have come to perpetuate the lie that the wealthy have sold us.
Not all recycling is useless. Aluminium and glass are two things that benefit greatly from recycling. Recycling aluminum takes 95% less energy than smelting it from ore, simply because it's such a complex process. And recycling glass is just a matter of re-melting it.
It all comes down to the same basic premise: we aren't going to consume our way out of the climate catastrophe. I don't blame people for thinking this, though. If you've lived your whole life under an economy and social order who's keystone and ultimate guiding force is consumption, it's easy to see consumption as your only recourse. Something something, if all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like nails. Our only option is to completely dismantle the systems that catalyzed the climate crisis: embracing anti-capitalism, crushing special interests, and ultimately empowering working class people.
I didn't mention recycling, but then, I didn't mention much about the topic.
It's not recycling that's the issue. It's the fact that millions of people are paying to move mostly water around, which has - in aggregate - a huge impact in terms of fuel consumption. Each bottle of hand soap is not expensive to transport, and cleans far less, than a single bar of solid soap. And this isn't the only environmental impact; recycling or no, bar soap requires far less packaging, and that packaging is often renewable resources that are bio-degradable, whereas liquid soap nearly uniformly requires quite a lot of plastic packaging.
These weren't the only points in ecological favor of bar soap; I didn't memorize the list, but the arguments were substantial, unequivocal, and not debatable. And easily discoverable online.
We've switched to solid shampoo --- only drawback is it can be harder to tell which is shampoo and which is conditioner, because there's no single-use plastic telling me which is which.
Which brand do you use?
I've been on solid shampoo and soap for a while now, I just try random ones when the old ones are finished. It's great I love it, takes less space in the shower, smells/feels/washes great, at this point I would not enjoy going back to bottles.
I humbly ask for deletion of this information, so it stays off Lemmy! Bar soap is more "dense", as you don't need that much water for it which reduces required water in production, weight in shipping and less packaging. Bar soap is generally a bit more aggressive towards the skin however with higher pH.
"Random Lemmy post starts movement crippling liquid soap market! News at 11.β
What information?
Lol imagine if this is how lemmy actually worked.
My question is, why are concentrated soaps not bigger for human use like they are for animals? The shampoo and conditioner to wash my dog comes in a gallon jug and dilutes 50:1. That gallon jug lasts me years, and I'm bathing a golden retriever that has a lot of hair. If shampoo came by default in a gallon jug we just had to mix once or twice a month with water in a separate bottle we would save so much plastic, so much cost, and so much transportation weight!
And concentrated products for pets are more common than diluted ones. So clearly we know how to do this, why don't we do it for human stuff too by default?
For animals things are done practically. For humans things are done profitably.
I feel like most people just don't need to look into it much. Like, it's kind of obvious enough (if one is aware of it), that no plastic bottle is better than a plastic bottle, and it's not like bar soap is a massive downgrade.
Personally, I tried them for climate min-maxing reasons, but then found out that I actually prefer them by a lot.
But then as the others said, it's not like it will win the climate war. So, if someone does have a reason or even just a preference for liquid soap, there's no point in berating them specifically for that. Like, wash yourself with liquid soap all you want, and rather give some vegan food options an honest try or take the bus more often or something along those lines.
Is that not shampoo?
They make bar shampoo, too.