Some Beeper users say Apple banned their Macs from iMessage

Why are US users so focused on iMessage? I have seen rejected date memes because the message bubble had the wrong color. There are tons of alternatives out there. Is this a status thing?

- Apple also intentionally made the green bubble contrast worse so that iPhone users would have eyestrain when conversing with non-iPhone users.
- I'm just surprised people aren't fed up with how shit SMS (well, MMS, but I never want to hear about that again) is for anything other than text. It was always a fucking pain and just plain shit even if it weren't.
- we don’t have per-message charges in the US, so most people continue on using SMS for daily conversations.
  We don't here in the UK either, but we still use data messaging for the most part. I use WhatsApp for my Android friends, iMessage for my iPhone friends, and it's never a problem.
- We don't have per message charge in France either but people still use WhatsApp or Signal because you can't have groups in SMS.
vast majority of people use the default app their phone choice comes with.
historically eise, the reason EU uses whatsapp was that there was a time period early on where sms costed money, so people used whatsapp to circumvent that. the U.S didnt have that problem as sms was free for the majority of people in that time period.
- This seems a bit revisionist. Everyone had an amount of smses per month that were free in their contract.
  People switched to whatsapp because it was better than sms.
- 39 cents/SMS. I remember this time. This does not explain why it has to be that specific protocol, though.
- Also, at the time, WhatsApp was pretty much the only option. Nowadays, there are a lot of other options.
Yes it's a status thing and I'm aware of people who have been rejected on dates for having an Android.
- Sounds like they are better off that way. Anyone who thinks that is important is probably not worth it.
- I’ll bet that most of them never happened. But they do make great memes!
The average American is not tech savvy.
(Which is surprising, given that the US has arguably the strongest software development industry in the world.)
Most Americans just use the default apps installed on their phones. Facebook Messenger is really the only non-default messaging app with mass market penetration, and that's because most Americans already have Facebook accounts.
Americans just don't want to sign up for new accounts or learn new apps. Therefore, iMessage won by default.

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Yep
This also extends to other products. Don't use your personal Gmail to do 'TOS violating' things. Better yet, separate it as much a possible with different devices, VPNs, etc.
Losing your primary email will SUCK
(Also make backups)
- I don’t think it’s fair to lay blame on the consumers here, this is big tech acting as monopolies and should be prosecuted as such.
- Buy your own domain and point it to an email provider. You'll essentiolly never lose your address

Violating the iMessage/iCloud user agreement can, yes, result in getting booted from the platform. It’s in the terms of service. It was a risk everyone took when using beeper.

“How dare they access their own messages!”
I too like to champion a trillion dollar company over what's morally right!
- ah, yes, pointing out a simple fact = "championing" / taking a moral stance
  if i point out that it happens to be raining outside today, am i also "championing" the rain, claiming rain to be morally right?
  lol
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No one gives a flying fuck about Apple's TOS.
- tell that to those who got booted from iMessage
- Tell that to the humancentipad! You clicked on agree TWICE!

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the users are holding their wallet the wrong way, probably

Welp, yep, get on the wrong side of a company and they can take everything you enjoyed from their "integrated" ecosystem away from you. That's why we need to remove these types of walled garden monopolies.

well the mobile phone market is almost fully a duoapoli
kai os is pretty much the olny other choice

I think the bigger news here is that Pebble Founder Eric Migicovsky has once again bitten off more than he can chew.

I personally was already skeptical of Beeper based on Migicovsky's terrible treatment of the Pebble devs on the way out (they were supposed to be sold with the company, that ended up not being the case and they were left jobless), and personal experiences when on the original Beeper waitlist (was not notified our onboarding session would be recorded until joining the session, follow up questions ignored), but this really seems to reveal that he never had a real solid plan to deal with this potential outcome (that most saw coming from a mile away).

Beeper was originally supposed to be a "universal chat app" in the vein of classic apps like Trillian, Adium or Pidgin, but they paid particular attention to trying to get iMessage into the game from early on. It's genuinely odd to think that they've been persuing iMessage compatability for this long to not have considered this as an outcome, especially after the release of Beeper Cloud, which was an actual reverse engineer of the iMessage protocol.

The classic Beeper app (I forget the name for it now) could have kept flying under the radar and being ignored by Apple, despite the fact that it required an intermediary iOS device to be able to work as it was. They originally were going to send out refurbished iPhone 4s to customers, but as iOS updates quickly made the iPhone 4 too far behind to still be functional in this way, they rolled out their own fleet of macOS servers as an intermediary.

It really seems like an ill-considered plan, and it really makes me glad I never dumped any money into the product, because this has kind of become a complete shitshow. We shouldn't be celebrating Apple's decision to do this, but Migicovsky never even had more than a few moves planned before he gave up on Beeper cloud, so it's not like we can count on him to be the one trying to mount a legal battle to change things and allow others access to iMessage through a legal framework.

Migicovsky bailed on Pebble pretty quickly when it became unprofitable. Will he do the same again? Seems likely to me, imho.

Anyway, TL;DR: I don't think this guy actually has a real business plan with any of this and I'm kind of surprised no devs involved had brought it up, considering it's been being developed for three years now.

While not related from a legal standpoint, the use of iPhones and intermediate devices reminds me of a supreme Court case that I wrote a brief about. The crux of it was a steaming service that operated large arrays of micro antenna to pick up over the air content and offer it as streaming services to customers. They uniquely associated individual customers with streams from individual antenna so they could argue that they were not copying the material but merely transmitting it.
I forget the details, but ultimately I believe they lost. It was an interesting case.
- And SCOTUS did so by introducing a rule it never explained and which has no support in prior law (they're only supposed to rule on ambiguity in law, not to create new rules, that's up to congress instead)
  https://www.vox.com/2018/11/7/18073200/aereo
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Another episode of "trying to contact people behind some big company app because they haven't heard what an Internet is".

Can I just say that Beeper is the worst message app name I've ever heard? It fills me with inexplainable rage.

Beeper, Telegram, Signal, Pidgeon, Wire, Session... Every word related to sending a message.
- Conversations

It's fine, apple users are not really people !

Meanwhile the Beeper app won't even open on my computer.

The rest of the world has moved to data messaging platforms while the US still sticks to SMS.

The rest is unfortunetly still using SMS for notifications or to text people not using the same app proprietary app or not using standard Internet messaging.

At risk of sounding like a pretentious fuck, I do actually lose a tiny amount of respect for someone when I learn they have an iphone. It’s like baby’s first smartphone, great for elders and children.

That IS pretentious as fuck. How shallow do you have to be to judge people based on what electronics they own?
I mean, that is a bit pretentious, TBF.
I used to look down on people who got iPhones, but I realised it's not their fault, there isn't much choice when it comes to good, dependable, usable smartphones that have years of updates. I'm a Pixel owner, and it's basically the same thing from the other side. Backed by one of the richest companies. The same goes with Samsung, although I personally find their phone software to be really mid.
- I upgraded my iPhone XR to a 13 mini last year. I was close to choosing something running Android, but ultimately I just don't want to jump that far in with Google. And really, there's not much of an alternative out there.
Oof. In my experience, Android phones are always better on paper when it comes to technical specs, but never when it comes to the user experience. I like technology, but mostly I need my phone to get out of my way and Apple just does it better.
I'm not blind, I know the downsides of Apple products, but I couldn't go back to either Windows or Android after about 5 years in the Apple ecosystem.
- When I found I could speed up every single transition animation and functionally halve the time it took me to do anything, I lost all patience for that walled garden. It’s literally just a single box in dev settings, I can also turn off any flashy bullshit that only serves to waste my battery.
  Also when something doesn’t work on android, I actually have some recourse beyond waiting for apple to fix it for me.
As opposed to what? What’s a big boy phone?
- Big boy phone: