zungi (it/its) @ zungi @lemmy.blahaj.zone

i am an agender Quaker, poet, and philosopher-mathematican embracing Unreas

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i should have clarified that i was referring to the current incarnation of the Constitution, what with the amendments and all. The inclusion of slavery at all is horrible. i like non-cruel prison labor; anyone who is sincerely remorseful would love the chance to atone, but the labor must be voluntary. Compulsory anything is counter to Love. Punishment of any kind is counter to Love.

If you were thinking of the Thirteenth Amendment, then my only defense is that the Thirteenth Amendment does not specifically condone prison slavery, either, that prison slavery is undefined behavior, that the undefined behavior can serve as a means of easing people away from slavery, that, even with the exception, the Thirteenth Amendment did serve as a step in the right direction. The exception may be a compromise for people who wanted slavery for unconvicted and convicted people, thereby starting the process of easing into an incarnation which is free of anything resembling an endorsement of slavery of any kind.

In any case, an amendment to forbid all slavery is definitely in order and is thoroughly consistent with my understanding of the spirit of the Constitution.

@Ferrous@lemmy.ml

Thank you.

i feel you, but i do not see any reason to think that any of these bad things are inextricably linked to the United States, i.e., the Constitution. To me, the core of the Constitution seems to be very compatible with Love, although the authors tried to cripple that message to suit incompatible interests, e.g., slavery.

After reading some parts of the Constitution again, i was disappointed by the mention of "Aid and Comfort" until i realized that the Constitution indicates that treason implies "Aid and Comfort" or declaring war against the United States, not that said "Aid and Comfort" is necessarily treasonous, which would necessarily imply persecution of religions of unconditional Love; in being unconditional, after all, Love does not discriminate by affiliation or past actions.

i do approve characterizing implementations of the United States as being afflicted with truly horrible things, though. This implementation has always had fascist-adjacent elements and, hell, has gone from being on the path to being the Mother of Exiles to just being the mama of all strays. But such hatred, such dehumanization is not aligned with the liberal spirit of the Constitution.

i welcome any disagreement here, and you are free to ask for any clarification.