zenitsu @ zenitsu @sh.itjust.works

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yes, I'm sure the orangutan rapist criminal coup attempter won a second election just because of inflation and only "half a percent" being swayed by propaganda lmao. Might be too naive

Feel free to estimate how many are swayed by Russian propaganda. It's been swaying results since 2016 and embedding itself further into minds since then. That seems like a lot of people over time if you ask me, definitely much more than a "handful" lmao

The equivalent action of Russia interfering with the West's population is obviously the West interfering with the Russian population. If you want to say you were implying Western interference in its own population, sure, then you could've made that clearer. Nothing changes though because we still don't control information or punish opposing views internally as they do, obviously.

But feel free to send as much evidence of Western bot farms as I can easily send of Russian ones.

People can be upset and informed. If they didn't incorrectly blame Biden for inflation they might not be dumb enough to vote for the corrupt criminal rapist who tried to steal an election. And given that he won by a razor thin margin, a small difference in misled morons could've reversed the result.

If Russia has the ability to brainwash half the country using a handful of bot farms, then I can only imagine what our own, much more powerful and well funded intelligence agencies are capable of.

The implication being doing the same to their country, obviously.

You didn't say that voters were misled into blaming him for inflation, that's the difference between our statements, they're not the same. You're welcome.

That was the topic, you're the one who started mixing in state actors like Musk and Zuckerberg after implying that Western propaganda directed at Russia should be just as effective as theirs towards us. Go and improve your reading comprehension and then read everything again.

Nobody is here defending favourite politians, you're just not saying anything of substance on this topic anymore.

I'm super confused by what chain of reasoning would lead you to say this. First, it doesn't matter at all that they're not foreign states

Also, I'm not talking about the US government using propaganda to influence Russian citizens, I'm talking about the US government using propaganda to influence US citizens.

I see, we're talking past eachother because you fail to follow the topic. As a reminder, the topic was USA/Russia influencing eachothers population. That should help you finally understand why it works better in one direction and not the other, and why internal bad actors aren't relevant to the conversation.

I'm not affirming what you think either lmao. I'm affirming what a large portion of voters were thinking. I'm also the only one here backing up my arguments with facts and polls, so I don't think I'll be the one not "engaging with reality".

First, TikTok isn't banned and the push for it wasn't because of "pro-palestinian" content. There's no lack of that on every platform available.

Second, Musk and Zuckerberg aren't foreign states, try to stay on topic.

But secondly, and much more importantly, you're talking about Russia propagandizing Americans, who have access to YouTube and Wikipedia! If the reason that Russian propaganda is so effective is that they censor those platforms, then how can it be that it's still so effective when people have access to them? It's complete nonsense.

None of this made any sense. What don't you understand? Westerners see the charlatan grifters that Russians fund on YouTube/Rumble etc because it isn't blocked, meanwhile the Russian population has no access to Wikipedia and wouldn't be able to see "western propaganda" on YouTube because it is blocked. Duh

And your argument does not still stand. As I said, Kamala failed to distinguish herself from Biden's unpopular policies.

Oh wow, yes my argument does indeed fall just because Kamala failed to "distinguish" herself in a rushed 3-month campaign from Bidens objectively successful administration. Makes sense 👍

People didn't get "brainwashed," jfc. Not everyone is an economic expert following global trends. People saw prices go up, so they got upset because the prices were higher. Not everything that happens is because of Russian propaganda.

No shit they're not economic experts, that's why they blamed Bidens admin, with the help of propagandists.

I never realized that Czechoslovakia had a coup which banned opposition parties, leading to rebels to seize control of the Sudetenland who then requested aid from Germany in the ensuing civil war.

You say this as if it justifies invading a country and they didn't go on to take the whole thing.

Hubris. "Everyone else in the past 80 years who said the things I'm saying now has been wrong, but I'm obviously correct, because This Time It's Different."

"People have been wrong in the past, therefore you're wrong now" You're the one failing to prove why Ukraine's defense isn't actually justified.

Blah blah magic Russian propaganda. We have our own propaganda, there's no reason to think Russian propaganda would be so much more effective than our own, it's just a talking point and not a serious explanation

Call it magic all you want, the facts say otherwise. Look at my other comment for links with examples. If you can't see any reason our propaganda wouldn't be as effective against an authoritarian state that blocks sites like YouTube/Wikipedia then go read more or something idk.

Nonsense take. Biden dropped out because his brain was melting and it got to a point that nobody could reasonably pretend otherwise, he was also polling like shit, and both of those factors are why he dropped out. Three months is plenty of time to build a campaign, it's comparable to election seasons in other countries, if anything, it was more advantageous to Kamala for her to be able to skip the primary, especially considering how badly she did in the 2020 primary.

No idea why you're commenting on why Biden did/didn't drop out as I didn't even give a take on that. Fighting a ghost for no reason, but ok. For Kamala personally it was better that she didn't have to go through primaries, but it's worse for the Dems. Obviously.

Yes inflation was the #1 cause, which wasn't Bidens fault. US also recovered from the pandemic better than peer economies and earned the title of "economic envy of the world", thanks to his administration.

People got brainwashed regardless into blaming him for inflation. My argument still stands.

I think you just lack the information, here are just a few examples off the top of my head:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Tenet_Media_investigation

The West can't engage in the same disgusting tactics even if it wanted to because unlike the authoritian state of Russia, we don't control our internet to the point of blocking YouTube/Wikipedia. This can't possibly be news to you.

I'm impressed with how much you need to type to say absolutely nothing of substance. The comparison to WWII is there because it's the most apt, Putin even copy/pasted the same excuses Hitler used to invade Czechoslovakia. So if you have a problem with the completely adequate comparison to WWII go complain to him or maybe just inform yourself on both conflicts. Otherwise your insinuation that this is no different from anyone else who was incorrect about their reasoning for war just ends up being empty garbage.

Americans at least had to get hit with 9/11 to go mad enough to start an unjustified war in Iraq, what's Russia's excuse?

"It's not an existential threat", do things need to become existential before you tend to them? What kind of brainlet argument is that?

Americans are losing interest in the defense of Ukraine because Russian propaganda is working its way through the smooth brains in the states. Nobody is surprised.

Ultimately, whichever position is "correct" doesn't really matter. If you don't address domestic problems then you're probably going to lose the election and then you don't get any say in what happens at all, which is, you know, what happened.

That isn't "what happened". What happened was the public got played by domestic and foreign propaganda + some sprinkles of misogyny and racism.

Bidens admin was one of the best in a long time and was infinitely more productive than the orangutan could ever dream of being.

But because Biden was too stubborn to not go for a second term, Kamala was placed in a shit position with only 3 months to build a campaign/image, and despite her situation she still performed insanely well because she's also infinitely more competent and intelligent than the orangutan currently in the white house.

Voters are so fucking dumb and uninformed, that the most googled thing in a bunch of states on election day was "did Biden drop out?" Then they decided to vote for the old orange criminal loser, who tried to steal the 2020 election and a few weeks before was ranting on TV like a senile grandpa about the Haitians "eating the cats and the dogs".

Right wing opinion has been highjacked by the Russians, it's a compromised crowd. Hell, the government is compromised nevermind the idiot followers.

Conflating the election result with support for Ukraine is also disingenuous, given that most americans actually support sending aid.

Regarding American “military aid to Ukraine,” 51 percent of respondents in the CBS News/YouGov poll backed it, while 49 percent said they didn’t.

Your arguments will require more nuance than "I'm leftist who thinks guns and killing is bad".

You don't think the world was better off after US intervention in WWII? Don't you think more lives would've been saved if the allies had been stronger sooner?

The defense of Ukraine is the most justified use of armament in a very long time.

Yes, just like the Nazi's in Czechoslovakia. Speaking of cheap propaganda tricks... 🤡