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And if that’s true, why do we need NATO?

Because even a destitute regional power can still bombard your cities, kill your civilians, and occupy your territory if they're willing to suffer the results.

I just don’t like hypocrites who deem Russia the devil and give a pass to The West while they are literally being an accomplice of genocide right now in Gaza.

Surrendering now is better than losing more and more territories later.

Gaza will not be destroyed later, it will be destroyed if it doesn’t make peace now.

If you’re so brave, why aren’t you at the front lines defending them?

EDIT: Because I know people are going to miss the point, this is a copy paste of his own message.

Didn’t read further. This is pointless. I’m going to assume you don’t want the US to stop.

I want the US to stop invading other countries just like I want Russia and China to stop invading other countries.

Funny how US imperialism is always bad while Soviet/Chinese imperialism is just "missing context", provoked, justified, or just papered over with lies like "they were really gentle in their occupation".

Can you name even one instance of Soviet or Chinese imperialism that was, in your opinion, as bad as something the US has done? Not forced upon them by history or made bad by propaganda, just straight up them being bad imperialists.

Yes?

That's good. I didn't think you would be able to denounce the imperialism of the Soviet Union.

Do you or do you not think the US should stop interfering?

I don't want the Taiwanese to be subjugated by the Chinese, and I know that they don't want to either, so I support any actions that allow Taiwan to remain independent.

I don't want a Chinese invasion, but I also wouldn't want a US invasion of Cuba or the assassination of Fidel Castro.

Who said I want an invasion to happen?

OK, you "won't be happy about it" but will "understand why it happened". Do you feel the same way about a US invasion of Cuba, and the assassination attempts on Castro? You just wanted the Soviet Union to fuck off and mind its own business?

Which is again much like my understanding of why the US beat its drums when the USSR interfered with Cuba. I don’t condemn the US for drum beating over that event (despite my obvious distaste for the US and support for Cuba), its extremely obvious what caused it and it’s extremely obvious what is causing this.

So obviously a full US invasion of Cuba would not only have been understandable, but also justified? Just like all the assassination attempts on Castro were understandable and justified?

I have no idea what they want, whether that’s true, or whether nationalism is even compatible with their culture.

But you do have an idea what the Taiwanese want, and it isn't a Chinese invasion, so why aren't you condemning China for their hostile actions and threatening behavior?

It's very interesting how territorial disputes over basically uninhabited islands is too culturally insensitive to make conclusions on, but China invading and suppressing Taiwan harming millions in the process is an understandable certainty that doesn't warrant condemnation.

I wonder why that is. 🤔

Just one final question.

You obviously don't support Japan taking back the Kuril Islands from a weakened Russia and aren't happy about it, but obviously you understand what caused it and why it had to happen, right?

Lmao. Fuck no. The US involvement there was global imperialism trying to cling to its colonial holdings.

So the Chinese invasion of Vietnam is obviously also a bad thing that must be denounced and not just solemnly understood and accepted, right?

And China. And North Korea. And Russia. And Syria.

If a referendum happened for this. Independence would absolutely not win.

And since they also don't want "unification" you are absolutely against China attempting to invade Taiwan, and any aggressive actions like shooting missiles into waters near Taiwan, or threatening invasion, right?

Don't underestimate the "stupidity" of authoritarian regimes.

Like we've seen with Russia the information that leaders base their decisions on do not necessarily reflect reality in any way. China could very well start WW3 by invading Taiwain based on the false pretenses that everyone would just capitulate and totally be on their side like Russian leadership thought would happen in Ukraine.