WideEyedStupid @ wide_eyed_stupid @lemmy.world

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Hmm, I see a pattern. It's almost as if the rich and/or those in power don't care about the working class, except to use them to reach their nefarious goals.

Ha yes, well, I'm sure Hitler could have found something for 3+mil rabid followers to do, but they were just too big of a risk. Not just to him, but other Nazi leaders also thought Röhm had too much power. It was impossible to easily turn them into a well-functioning army, especially since there was already bad blood there. And with Himmler and Göring whispering in his ear, Hitler was never going to let the SA keep their power.

The SS, though, grew more and more. Not only were they Hitler's personal bodyguard, but they also had the Einsatzgruppen (death squads), the Gestapo and they were the ones who built all the concentration camps. Himmler and Göring had a lot of power too, obviously, but the SS was never seen as a bunch of thugs. More disciplined. Could work as an actual army. There was a class-element there as well. While the SA was mostly uneducated working class people, the SS were middle and upper class. More prestigious, I guess you could say.

Imagine there are 10 million proud boys, terrorizing the U.S., and their leaders expect the U.S. military to join them? How would that work out? You can't really piss them off because then you'd have millions of thugs turning against you, but you also know you can't possibly make the army work with them - and even if you could force them to, would you want to? A bunch of undisciplined thugs wouldn't function as an actual army. What would Trump have to do to solve this situation? Hitler chose the purge.. wonder what Trump would do.

I think Trump pardoned those 1500+ Jan 6. people specifically because of this. They'll give him undying loyalty now and they know he can pardon them anyway, so they'd probably do whatever he wants. Though I'm not sure if he would literally give them orders. They'll probably just do stuff they think he wants them to do, or things they want to do that they know Trump won't mind. His own personal brownshirts. Or should I say black&goldshirts. I doubt they know he doesn't actually care about them and will inevitably stab them in the back.

About the military.. I don't know, honestly. Didn't he say he wanted to get rid of the woke generals, or whatever? Is it possible for him to purge the military like that?

You're sort of right, but it's a bit more complicated than that. The German army was relatively small. Due to the Treaty of Versailles, they weren't allowed to have a standing army of more than 100k.

The real problem was... political. The brownshirts (the SA/Sturmabteilung) had grown so powerful that a lot of Nazi leadership started to see them as a problem. They were concerned about their own power. The SA leader, Ernst Röhm, actually wanted to absorb the official German army into the SA, but the official army never would have accepted this. The army leadership saw the SA for exactly what they were: undisciplined street thugs. They'd never have accepted Röhm's leadership.

To limit the power of the SA, the SS (Schutzstaffel), which was technically a part of the SA, was therefor placed under the control of Himmler. But when Röhm started to demand more influence over the army he made people very nervous and Himmler and Göring started to plot against him and went to Hitler with their 'concerns.' It didn't help that Hitler was always paranoid and the SA had more than 3 million members. If you were a paranoid tyrant, you wouldn't want anyone to have the loyalty of such a force, that could maybe one day be used against you.

During the Night of the Long Knives Röhm was arrested for plotting to overthrow Hitler, and a few days later he was executed. He was not the only victim, of course. Pretty much the entire SA leadership was killed.

Edit: clarity.

No. Not after all their rights and their citizenship were taken away.

See that's the thing a lot of people don't understand. Fascists often use the law and the system to LEGALLY implement all their horrific shit. Just because something is the law does not make it right. Laws can be changed, thus we shouldn't use them as an argument for what is and isn't right.

Let's just imagine for a moment that tomorrow Trump and his little friends push through some law that allows them to strip every person with Swedish ancestry (for example) of their citizenship. Suddenly they could be deported, sure. And it would all be legal. Would you think it was right?

Your government is already talking about taking away birthright citizenship. And the GOP has shown us they are perfectly happy stripping at the very least some people of some of their rights already. Are you telling me you don't think it could get any worse? Are you telling me that as long as it's legal, it's okay?

Do you know that the Jewish population in Germany were citizens? And then Hitler took their citizenship away. Just like they used to have rights, until they didn't. Besides, just because something's legal, doesn't make it right. What's legal and what's not can change in the blink of an eye.

In other words: It is exactly how it works.

Jared Kushner, Donald Trump’s former White House adviser and his son-in-law, praised the “very valuable” potential of Gaza’s “waterfront property,” suggesting that Israel should remove civilians while it “cleans up” the area.

Source.

Further in the article he says this:

Additionally, Kushner suggested that he “would just bulldoze something in the Negev, I would try to move people in there,” adding: “I know that won’t be the popular thing to do, but I think that’s a better option to do, so you can go in and finish the job.”

“I think Israel’s gone way more out of their way than a lot of other countries would, to try to protect civilians from casualties,” Kushner added.

Fucking ghoul.

I see zero problems with that whatsoever.

Actually, concentration camps came very early. And the Nazis were very open about these concentration camps, because they figured they would serve as a deterrent. However, they weren't initially used to house Jewish people, but mostly for political opponents, like socialists. Later came the intellectuals, journalists, teachers, scientists, etc. And of course other undesirables like gay people.

Extermination camps, however, were a relatively late addition. And they were kept secret. The systemic extermination of Jewish people began after the Wannsee Conference in 1942, where Nazi leadership discussed the Final Solution to the Jewish Problem. Under Operation Reinhard they started building the six extermination camps:

• Chełmno
• Bełżec
• Sobibór
• Treblinka
• Auschwitz II-Birkenau (Auschwitz I was an existing concentration camp, Auschwitz II was built a few kilometers away from the main camp)
• Majdanek (Majdanek was converted into an extermination camp. It started as a concentration camp mostly for POWs).

The first 4 camps were built specifically and solely to kill people.

Aside from smaller efforts to deport Jewish people to a bunch of different countries, they also came up with what is basically the first 'Final Solution' - one of deportation, not extermination: The Madagascar Plan.

They were going to round up and sent all the Jewish people to Madagascar. But well, they failed to defeat the British and when they realized that an invasion of GB was pretty much impossible, they kind of gave up on it.

A lot of people associate Nazis with extermination camps (which, well obviously it's true), but extermination was never Plan A for Nazis. They never cared if Jewish people died, but initially they just wanted to get rid of undesirables/Jewish people, not necessarily kill them all. The industrialized genocide came much later, more out of desperation and a need for efficiency than anything else.

This just to say that bullshit arguments like "he's not a fascist/Nazi because he's not gassing people" are exactly that: bullshit arguments. Nazis were Nazis long before the first extermination camp was built.

Yes, I realize that. Mea culpa for trying to be a teensy bit funny.

Guess I'm not against deadnaming, after all.

Are you just here to showcase how and why fascist messaging is so effective?

Well, his idol annexed and invaded other countries, so obviously he should too!

Bigger than I thought it was! But then it should have a lot of weight to throw around, so.. maybe start doing that!

DUI hire, haha. That one's funny.

Isn't California on its own somewhere in like the top 10 global economies? Aren't they partially funding a lot of shit in red states? Seems like a lot of leverage to me. If the government won't help you with disasters like this, is there incentive any longer to keep paying into it? Use the money to fund your own disaster aid and FEMA equivalent instead.

I have only ever needed my birth certficate once. When I got married. I was living in a foreign (but still EU-) country at the time; I have no idea if I would have needed it to marry in my own country. It's possible my mom might have needed it when I was little, to get me into elementary school or something, no idea about that. It's definitely not needed for a driver's license or a house. That's ridiculous.

Bering Strait*

Yeah, sounds like it's basically just: "AUFMACHEN!" followed by detaining everyone who looks 'suspicious.'

Sounds vaguely familiar.. something that happened in the past somewhere?