WideEyedStupid @ wide_eyed_stupid @lemmy.world

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It doesn't fucking matter. Illegal or legal, they do not deserve to be sent to Gitmo. Nobody deserves to be sent there.

Or are you somehow arguing that concentration camps are fine, for some people. Then let's hope you don't belong to a group that becomes the other in the future.

And apparently they also arrest legal immigrants now. So eh.. well done, I guess.

Yeah Biden was doing nothing to stop the genocide, and their solution was to help the guy promising to speed it up.

No, what I am trying to point out is that all the people who kept repeating the "both sides"-bullshit actually HELPED Trump win. Repeat something often enough and idiots will believe it. I have no actual statistics about this, but I wonder, how many people eventually stayed home because they thought both sides are the same and voting wouldn't matter anyway? How many people just sorta protest-voted Trump because they believed it wouldn't make a difference anyway? How many people actually switched to third party voting because they initially wanted to, and it wouldn't make a difference anyway?

Perpetuating this idea that Kamala was the same helped Trump win. It was repeated by certain people ad nauseam how Trump and Kamala were the same. How you shouldn't vote for democrats because it would be voting for genocide. If they were the same, you'd end up with genocide either way, so then vote for the one who's better on every other topic, no? But no, that's not what they said. It was an intentional campaign to make people not vote for Kamala, either by staying home or voting Trump. Every single thread was full of "both sides"-trolls and 99% of those have mysteriously disappeared since Trump won. I mean, it's logical, their work was done, right?

They do? Huh. I thought they only did that on the boxes, not the eggs themselves. TIL.

No, they say they want their 2nd amendment to protect their country from tyrants. But what they really meant was: to help the tyrant.

They won't have to prosecute you if they just arrest you for being 'violent' or 'terrorists' and ship you off to El Salvador.

It's just so fucked up, all of it. They've been pumping shitloads of money into their military for so long, it's a behemoth larger than the military of the next, what, 9 countries combined? All that money should have been spent on things that are actually good for U.S. citizens. A better educational system, a healthcare system, more worker protections, a better social security net, trying to fix homelessness, etc.

But now, their humongous military is going to be used against their own people and their allies. And all the while I'm here thinking that a well-educated, healthy, happy populace would have been much less inclined to vote a fascist into office. But hey, they didn't need all that, they were already the best country in the world, right?

It's not a strawman, it's the truth.

Trump is orders of magnitude worse regarding pretty much everything, so even if Kamala is 'the same' on Palestine, all the other stuff would still be better with her in stead of Trump. If you truly believe they are the same regarding Palestine, then they basically cancel each other out, right? Then you should look at everything else and it's quite obvious they are not the same at all.

Look, I don't want to be the person who needs to boil things down to simple math. But don't you think that "Fuck Palestine" is better than "Fuck Palestine. And transgender people. And women. And the environment. And the Department of Education. And migrants, and and and"?

Tell me, how is one not worse than the other?

Well, but there is a pretty significant difference. For example, when the Nazis were planning to send all the German Jews to Madagascar, they were attempting an ethnic cleansing, meaning 'just' their removal - They didn't care when Jews died, but it wasn't their actual plan to slaughter them all. However, when the Madagascar Plan didn't seem possible anymore, they switched to genocide in stead, meaning their extermination.

There is a incredibly huge difference between these two things. And please don't get me wrong, they are both absolutely, unequivocally horrific. Unacceptable, period. But still this difference is important, especially for the victims. In hindsight, I'm sure many people would have wished the Nazis had been successful in their ethnic cleansing. Many more people would have survived.

What Israel has been doing is not ethnic cleansing. They've been systematically killing people for no other reason than "because we want to and we can." I'd call that a genocide. What Trump is describing, however, is ethnic cleansing.

And just to reiterate, I'm not saying it's not bad. It's sickeningly bad. But quite different.

Omg, now I recognize it!

"Your very liiiiiiiives?"

Wow, edit, grammar.

If you file off the serial number, they can't be traced!

And way too much of the public is cheering it on.

The most mind-boggling part imho. Trump and Musk doing all this shit doesn't surprise me at all. Trump especially has been very clear about the things he wanted to do, Project 2025 wasn't a secret either, and Musk.. well, he's been fascist-adjacent for a long time with his support for right-wingers the world over.. But the fact that normal people can look at this and believe it will make their country better somehow is insane to me.

Is this a copy-pasta I missed or did you make it up on the spot?

Either way, nice!

No, because people still think it isn't bad enough. Even in this thread I read stuff about how people 'can't' protest because it's the middle of the week. I mean, sure, if losing your job is the worst thing you have to worry about, then by all means, stay home. Of course, you know, by the time the fascist regime is well and truly established and things finally get bad enough for people to want to actually fucking do something, it will be too late.

Yeah, I mean, such a thing has never happened before. How ridiculous. Transporting thousands or even millions of people into camps to let them work themselves to death or to just kill them. Nobody would ever do such a thing!

Alright. So let's assume for the moment that you're right, and both parties would do exactly the same thing regarding Palestine. Just for the sake of argument.

Then they're still not the same.

Would Kamala have handed entire departments of the U.S. government over to Musk? Would Kamala have signed a bazillion EO's, taking away people's rights? Would Kamala send thousands of people to Guantanamo? Would she have allowed ICE to raid schools or hospitals? Would she be systematically erasing transgender people from public life? Would Kamala be scrubbing databases and removing information (CDC for example), or making people waste time to delete certain terms from every database and website because of "woke" or "DEI"? Would Kamala have taken the U.S. out of the WHO? Or the Paris Agreement? Would Kamala be threatening to annex Greenland? Or start trade wars with allies? Or do petty shit like removing the option for regular Americans to file taxes for free online? Or pardon 1500+ violent idiots, at least 4 of whom have already been commiting new (and running from old) crimes? Would she install an antivaxer, who also promotes raw milk, to Health and Human Services? Or abolish the Department of Education?

Would she, would she, would she?

They. are. not. the. same.

And you repeating the same tired bullshit over and over and over will not suddenly make it true. You can try to convince yourself that what you did was the morally right thing, but in your own words: put aside the rhetoric and intentions. The consequences are on you.

But anyway, we both know that Kamala would not be the same regarding Gaza. Never would she have said she wants to "take over Gaza" and "own it" and to turn it into the "Riviera of the Middle East" to create "thousands of jobs." She would never have proposed the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think she would have done anything to actually help Palestinians, aside from some symbolic stuff or vague threats she will never act on. Somehow Americans seem to just love Israel, whatever horrific shit they pull, they'll always side with Israel.

But "both sides are the same" is a blatant fucking lie.

Thanks for the chuckle!

Thanks for taking the time. So I guess it is all legal and Musk somehow does have all this authority.. It's bonkers, right? Doesn't it somehow feel like the U.S. government has been running relatively well for a long time based solely on.. the expectation of decency and norms, promises and gentleman's agreements? There aren't actual laws, checks or balances to avoid any of this, but it was sort of assumed that nobody in these positions would be pure evil. But then, once they're in, they can do whatever they want.

Courts are slow everywhere, that's why it's a good idea to have some rules and roadblocks, so that someone can't just start dismantling everything on day one and courts have time to catch up before shit hits the fan.

Ha, oh I get it. You are exactly right, the list is pretty much endless!

Your list has most of the highlights, but you're missing 2 really important one: 1. food safety. I guess Americans don't care what is being sprayed on their vegetables or what diseases their meat might have. And 2. environmental. Burning rivers, even more wildfires, smog in all your cities, toxic waste in your lakes, etc. Don't think they won't start polluting like crazy if they can.

All regulations means ALL regulations; even the ones most people would think are so common sense they don't expect them to go away. They will. If it makes more money, they'll get rid of any and all regulations.