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So do you currently think abortion should only be allowed in instances that are about the mother’s health?

As far as I can tell you see abortion as an “exception” that allows killing of a specific type of human.

While I am not really concerned with humanness. But of the underlying phenomenon that make protecting humans something we should want to do.

If you think about why we want to protect humans and tie to to consciousness and ability to suffer. There’s no exception and we can use our knowledge of human fetus development to inform abortion policy to prevent abortions that would infringe on those conditions.

The more fundamental issue is tying it to “humanness” at all. And I don’t think dependence on the mother really comes into play in terms of if it deserves protection. There’s really no reason you couldn’t have a concious parasite.

All of the highlights why it’s important to define what specific qualities we are looking for in determining the degree of rights an entity would have.

Idk man. It just seems like you’re saying “political issue” but what you mean is “doesn’t affect them”.

And I think the whole they’re not “anti” these people they just don’t care enough about them to vote for them to have basic protections is a tough sell. At some point it’s a forced choice, and sitting out isn’t really an option.

I guess maybe it’s how they truly see it, but it doesn’t stand up to much scrutiny.

Disagree. They just believe what they believe for “non-rational” reasons. Often social or emotional reasons that they aren’t explicitly aware of. We all do this.

It doesn’t make them incapable of reason.

Fundamentally I don’t believe that a large proportion of humanity is “stupid.” I think that’s pretty narcissistic.

And this attitude often seeps into the continuously fact quoting method. Which basically makes the whole thing a non starter

It wouldn’t because I have criteria, most specifically the ability to suffer, that underpins how I feel about abortion. This is independent of wombs or even DNA potentially.

I mean, I understand not wanting to allow violence on humans. But this still tied back to the definition of human. And, for me, if we take it back to ability to suffer, it makes a direct case for the way I feel about any entity’s (human or non human) rights

I think “matters more to their generation” is doing some heavy lifting. They surely know how to navigate social media and chat servers and all that. And in a way that’s more important.

I don’t think that maps to being able to use Linux with any proficiency.

Kids are smart in some ways and stupid in a lot of ways that adults are. They’re largely being put in a battle they can’t win against YouTube and TikTok that systematically target their psychology.

This may be true, but may also just say that continuously throwing facts at someone is the wrong approach

I’m not seeing how this in anyway even really touches on this issue at hand. A paper on human development to show that “science says” we have a “human” at the moment of conception?

At the end of the day this is going to just be about what your definition of a “human” is rather than anything “science” has to say.

The one you list lastly seems like the only actual reason. The others are things they DONT care about

Christian nationalism is just the merging of Christian and American identity. “America is a Christian nation”. You hear similar often from pandering and or deranged Republicans

On the science side it's a human from the moment of conception.

Citation needed

This basically underpins the whole thing and is pretty hand waved away

I’d ask them but they’re not replying

What are your hobbies?

I mean, who else would be responsible? Buck stops with him

I share your pessimism tbh

I’d really love to see some better propositions for quantifying value that’s better than straight up corporate profit. I’m with you a 100%, just looking for the path to get there.

I agree that we shouldn’t devalue it, and that was my initial word choice. That wasn’t the intent behind the choice, but I get it. I’m not sure “essential” is a good descriptor either. It is essential, but that’s not the defining quality we’re after.

Only if we continue to be dumbasses

We need to take universal basic income more seriously as a future policy