volodya_ilich @ volodya_ilich @lemm.ee

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Go on with the ad-hominem, still can't answer. Blue MAGA indeed

The Dems aren't making baby steps in the right direction, though, look up the progression of natural gas exports under Joe Biden. They're actively making big steps in the wrong direction.

Downvoted by 14 people, no single answer

No, the US isn't expansionist, it's imperialist.

"your evidence is overwhelming"

I explicitly said that all your sources are "western-biased source reports that some government official of a bordering country cries at slight border tensions". By that logic, Spain is a hugely militaristic, imperialist and expansionist regime:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perejil_Island_crisis?wprov=sfla1

I wasn't doing whataboutism, I was bringing real examples of militarism as opposed to literal news cuts of government officials crying at maps that you provided as "overwhelming evidence".

If it was "expansionism" that China sought, why stop at Tibet?

My my, how sickening, a YouTube link to an out of context video :( china is truly the worst country of all

Sure! I have here proof too that Spain is an imperialist, militaristic expansionist nation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perejil_Island_crisis?wprov=sfla1

You're just showing you don't understand basic concepts. You called China's liberation of Tibet "colonialism", proving you don't know the meaning of it. Expansionism isn't "when borders grow at any time in history", it's a tendency of a nation to view its territorial expansion as a desirable goal for the sake of it or for access to resource for example. Austria building an embassy in Tibet would grow Austria's borders, technically counting as expansionism according to you. You have lib level of politics knowledge and analysis, and it's hysterical how you try to bend definitions to make things look good for US imperialism

China bad. Source: YouTube.

Unbelievable discourse level

Anger me? Facts? Again, you're making me laugh

A people's liberation event in 50 years is really all you pro-US-imperialists have to point to as for how evil and militaristic china is. You guys are laughable.

Thank you for proving me right by bringing as your utmost evidence BBC (the unbiased source that uses the grey "China filter" on videos) reports that "some countries are purportedly sad because of a map". Really, very telling that that's the best you've got. In the meanwhile, NATO bombed Yugoslavia and Libya, and the US outright invaded Iraq and Afghanistan to name just a select few.

You guys are unbelievable.

(Believe it or not, arguing that they like being conquered and colonized doesn't mean they weren't conquered and colonized.)

"The right of self-determination is only relevant when it's bad for China :("

Tibet was a literal feudal state with absolutist power, where Tibetans worked the land as serfs for their feudal lords as they were legally tied to it. The liberation army liberated the Tibetans from their feudal yoke in a non-colonial way (we can get into the details if you want to).

None of those places were conquered within living memory, the thing you said China doesn't do.

Ok, hopefully we'll stop hearing the imperialists cry about how much better Tibet was under feudalism in 20 years, when it's no longer living memory.

Please tell me you have a reliable source on the number of Tibetans in Tibet that want independence from China.

Let's then compare that to Catalonians in Spain, or to Quebec nationals in Canada, or to indigenous colonies in the US

So basically "China bad because future china bad source: trust me bro"?

Please tell me of China's military expansionist tradition over the past 50 years