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Nader pulled from D and R voters in equal measure. Nader's Wikipedia page disagrees. Miami-Dade county was deliberately obstructed from completing its vote counting by Republican campaign staff Blaming Nader for a judicial coup is asinine.

Yes, we should not forget that the Republicans were the real villains here. And that the Democrats should have protested much harder. However, the point is that Gore was initially declared winner, but because his margin was not significant enough, there was room to obfuscate the victory. Had he gotten Nader's votes, it would have been more difficult to claim Bush victory.

You hardly have to imagine. Just ask Republicans how they felt about the Perot voters in '92, when Clinton swept the EC with 43% of the total vote.

Yeah, it was mostly a rhetoric question. I was mainly thinking all the bullshit about stolen election in 2020.

The degree to which Florida has been fumbled by Dems for the last 30 years cannot be overstated.

As much as they messed up there, I have to point out that a significant percentage of the voters went for Nader (although would have preferred Gore to Bush). That stupid idiotic moronic idealism cost them and the world two pointless wars in the Middle East, whose ripple effects can still be felt. Nevertheless R's just stole the election and the D's rolled over I suppose in order not to cause instability and keep the corporate overlords happy. Can you imagine how angry the R machinery would have gotten if the roles were reversed (possibly some of the D base as well, but just because they're not similar scum as R voters)?

The democrats are very good at fighting a change inside their own party. They're very bad at fighting republicans on the national stage. Case in point, voter suppression in the last election, the stolen election of Gore v. Bush in 2000 (Gore had majority in Florida in the end, did you hear CNN reporting about it?)

To extend a bit, the DNC controls the machine to run elections. They are friends with the corporate donors and the "left wing" media. Without their support it's very hard to brand yourself as a full blown democrat candidate, which eventually will matter to the voting public.

Carl Sagan.

Ok, you're right in this sense. However, I meant beaten badly in the sense of expectations vs. reality. If you followed any media, it was supposed to be a slight edge for Kamala, or at least a good chance for an upset. In the end the R's got president, senate and congress. And the outcome was clear after the first few hours, unlike something like Gore vs. Bush.

Fascism is fascism, what can you say..

"Mr. Musk has provided us with another delicate moment, demonstrating the ancient Roman salute combined with a Hindu symbol. It appears that the talk about the AI-operated gas chambers was a bit of an awkward slip, and it's best we do not further aggravate the division of our nation."

I remember reading he also just laughed it off and said people are just paranoid and see what they want to see.

A pretty good tell-tale sign of a fascist is that they will never apologize or admit doing wrong. You have to appear strong at all times.

There was a lot more demonstrations and outrage during Trump's first term. I think now everyone is just exhausted and over it. Dems got beaten pretty bad in the election, and are probably very demoralized after this outcome. Maybe it will add up to a landslide in the next senate/congress election, maybe not.

Itselläni heräsi näistä signaloinneista tämmöisiä ajatuksia:

Amerikkalainen äärioikeisto on nyt saanut vahvaa signaalia, että nykyinen hallinto pitää heitä arvossa. Trumpin suuntaus tiedettiinkin jo, mutta nyt myös isoimmilta tukijoilta on saatu rohkaisua. Miksi tällä on enää mitään väliä, kun Trump on jo vallassa? Lähinnä itselle tulee mieleen Hitlerin ruskeapaidat, eli natsipuolueen radikaalien alkupäivien toiminnallinen jaosto, joka hoiti juutalaisia ja poliittisia vastustajia vastaan kohdistetun väkivaltaisen kenttätyön ennen kuin Hitler oli saanut Saksan instituutiot ja upseerit valtansa alle. Tämän tapahduttua Ruskeapaitojen haave tulla armeijan veroiseksi väkivaltakoneistoksi kaatui, kun SS teloitti ryhmän johtohahmot ja Ruskeapaidat lakkautettiin ja sulautettiin muuhun natsipuolueen toimintaan.

Mitä USA:ssa tulee tapahtumaan on tietysti vielä täysin auki, mutta uskon että Trumpin kabinetissa äärioikeistoa leivotaan juuri samanlaiseksi työkaluksi, jota pidetään takataskussa pahan päivän varalle. Esimerkiksi jos Trumpin politiikka alkaa herättää liikaa vastarintaa, on kätevää jos siihen voidaan vastata lain ulkopuolisella omalla voimalla.

Tänään kyllä alkoi päivä mukavalla vitutuksella kun on tuota uutisointia seurannut, Muskin kainalontuulettelut kirsikkana kakun päällä. Tuolla tervehdyksellä on ihan selvästi nyökätty äärioikeiston suuntaan ja taas kerran kokeiltu mitä saadaan menemään läpi. Ja läpihän se tämäkin menee, jopa ADL:tä, joka omassa twiitissään halusi korostaa yhtenäisyyttä ja ties mitä. Vähän jää semmoinen kuva, että kenelläkään ei ole enää virtaa vastustaa tätä uutta fasismia. Sorakuopan reunalla sitten todetaan väsyneesti vieruskaverille, että ei noissa kivääreissä oikeita ammuksia ole.

Edit: Ylen ansioksi pitää tosin lukea se, että Muskiin viitattiin sen enempää selittelemättä oligarkkina. Tavan soisi yleistyvän.

Oh boy must those guys have felt pretty darn silly when they found out what happened! Gee whiz!

Doesn't it strain your eyes tho? I thought the appeal of having an e-reader is having the screen easy on the eyes.

Ylen artikkeli, joka valottaa vähän Uuden Jutun taustoja: https://yle.fi/a/74-20136083.

Thanks, I didn't realize it was possible. Well, not gonna start arguing about mod policy, but I think down votes would have been just fine here. Anyway, no strong feelings in any direction here.

I bet you were very badly wrong in your comment, but I would have at least like to see it (and down vote it too if it deserved it). I don't need protection from stupid, just illegal or outright racist/offensive.

Greedy assholes definitely ruin a lot for all of us.

Harari claims something similar in his book Sapiens, so it might not be so far fetched. However, even then people would have to pay for being alive with their work, even if it's less.

This is true also when you have strong unions to bargain for good benefits. Still, you need to do some work, as opposed to the message of the meme "you have to pay for being alive".