timbuck2themoon @ timbuck2themoon @sh.itjust.works

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It makes perfect sense when you realize places like Missouri and Florida voted for abortion rights yet also voted for Republicans and trump all over too.

And again, there's no big magical force keeping progressives out of winning primaries. They just don't. So again, my point, either people aren't that progressive or progressives fucking suck at voting. Either way, same result.

Moreover, we'll use your metric of progressive policies winning over Harris and analyze why she won more over Bernie himself. Must mean people are more moderate right?

It is non-voters. Whether they're left leaning or center or whatever really doesn't matter. They're going to get it one way or the other. They had a chance to drive the car more left but decided it wasn't worth showing up so now it's going full speed right wing back to the 50s and worse.

Congrats?

I mean, you're basically making my point. People who don't vote decide the election with their inaction. Whether it was not coming out for Bernie or not coming out for Kamala, it's the same thing.

So yes, thank you for proving my point better than I could. I appreciate the assist.

Bonus- Bernie finished behind Kamala in Vermont. So let's not act like progressivism is some silver bullet here.

Kind of a reverse Freedom Caucus. I could potentially see that working. Then again, people say AOC is no longer pure, etc. so I'm not sure progressives have the stomach to stick together long enough for that to work.

Which is normal politics. Why didn't Warren and Bernie make a deal then?

Face it- if he can't win a primary then that's on him. And this is coming from someone who voted for him in 2020.

Point being- people need to stop acting like there is some mythical force stopping progressives. If they truly were that numerous then Bernie would've been elected as the candidate in 2020 (2016 I'll give you the DNC fuckery.)

Moreover, they could elect AOCs all over the country too. But guess what- either they aren't that numerous or they're lazy as shit. Either way, you get "centrist" candidates like Biden. People seriously need to wake up and either start voting en masse in the primaries or realize that America is just not that progressive.

Who elected Bernie in 2020? Biden wiped the floor with him. Maybe more people should've voted for Bernie in the primary then.

No, blah blah blah, not prefect candidate, blah blah.

Can't blame them for being lazy shitheads. Of course it's someone else's fault.

Bullshit. The DNC said nothing. Biden wiped the floor with every other candidate in that primary fair and square. Maybe blame the voters or rather the people who couldn't be assed to come out.

This is surely going to lower the price of eggs.

Doesn't matter. Our school funding model was found unconstitutional in 1997 and still has never been fixed.

Id say the same to you. Agree to disagree. Im moving on.

The root cause is that people are let off the hook. "Oh both candidates were bad, no point in voting." Hell you hear that crap all the time "republican and republican lite." It's not even close to the truth and people saying it are just giving people excuses for being lazy and letting them off the hook.

I'm not trying to make them hurt. I think they will be by default and deserve to be reminded that doing nothing ensured it.

And if you would read what I wrote then you'd see that I am saying the Dems need to make changes sure but we also need to remind nonvoters they most definitely culpable for everything that happens in this administration. Why are you so averse to that? Afraid they might actually be forced to do some introspection and realize that they are part of the problem? Maybe they'll finally take ownership and actually go vote?

For real- take the L and move on.

I mean, that is at least somewhat fair.

Now, do I think that Biden who apparently did not know, had zero intent, and showed no resistance to getting those documents back to the right place would be charged? Most likely not. But I do agree that justice should prevail all the same.

Comments like yours make it clear youre trying to equate two wholly different scenarios with the same level of culpability.

You make excuses for them not voting and absolve them of ownership of the situation. They'll never feel like theyre at fault if you do that. And they should.

And I fundamentally disagree- the party is supposed to convince you to vote for them, not to vote in general. It's a civic duty.

So yes, so long as they never are made to feel they drove the car into the ditch, they won't. So my suggestion is to start making them acutely aware that they are at fault and when bad shit happens let them know that they brought it upon themselves but they also have the power to change that in the future.

Keep giving excuses and being dense. See how that works out for you. Great job.

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Try not being so blatant about arguing in bad faith next time. Makes you slightly more believable as not a complete partisan.

Voters and non voters.

Im asking for the slightest bit of effort on their part.

But sure, keep making excuses for them and they'll take it. Im sure they'll wake up one day and realize it's all their fault after everyone has continually excused them.

Haha, if you think I have a "team", youre fucking cooked.

I'm calling a spade a spade. You want to avoid this? Vote for who is CLOSEST to what you want. Instead of waiting for Santa Claus.