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Oh well. It sounds like you've got some work to do. The revised version of the article has some antiracism resources, so stay tuned.

The revised version of 4 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people (DRAFT!) will have (or maybe link off to) a list of examples on Lemmy -- that's why I started this thread. But, you don't have to wait! There are multiple examples in this thread and the thread I linked to in the OP.

And yes, there are tools. I'll have more links in the revised version, but one good place to start is Ijeoma Oluo's Welcome To The Anti-Racism Movement — Here’s What You’ve Missed

I answered. And there are also some good examples of anti-Blackness in the comments here.

There are plenty of examples in this thread and the crossposts, and more discussion in https://lemmy.world/post/18536867

If you can't find them, then (like many people) that's a sign you're used to an environment where anti-Blackness is normalized. So, imagine a Black person reading this thread who's been targeted by racism on the fediverse. What comments would they think are dismissive of Black people?

I'm not saying to pour through millions of posts, this one and the one I linked to have plenty of examples.

I was agreeing with you that moderation can make a big difference in how many people see the racist posts (and defederating from instances that are known sources of racism). Still, even when moderators remove posts, people still see them -- people in this thread talked about posts using "playing the race card", inflammatory memes, and other stuff that moderators removed. So I don't see it as moving the bar from the question of whether people have seen racism. But I certainly agree that racism that moderators don't address is a bigger problem!

Yeah. It's endemic in society, so there's no reason that specific social networks are magically exempt from it.

Whatever works! lol

These are all good points (and not having anything like Mastodon's followers-only posts removes another way to hide in obscurity). Moderators certainly got involved in some of the cross-posts of the earlier thread, at least a dozen comments were removed on beehaw and a couple people got banned from the awful.systems thread.

On the other hand, downvoting can also be used as a weapon to try to bury discussions of racism (this thread btw is at -17, the previous one is at -70).

Also somebody here mentions that "There’s currently only 1 user that I’ve noticed that keeps bringing race up." (hiii!!!!). A culture where people don't talk about race means that whiteness is normalized and unexamined. And quite a few of the comments in this thread (saying I'm the racist, analogizing me to a "Karen", calling me a fool) and the previous ones ("is this a joke?", "haha", "Lol, how is race relevant? Obv rage bait shitpost", the one analogizing me to Hitler) are all consistent with an environment where reactions to somebody bringing up race are hostile. Almost nobody is challenging these comments, in fact they've got plenty of upvotes.

The previous post that I linked to is now down to -70! Discussions about racism often make people very uncomfortable. Thanks for all your responses in the thread that came from this, one of the commenters blocked me so I can't respond directly to them, but I greatly appreciate it!

How about you look at this an other threads for the examples that others are describing?

Good point, thanks. It's great that mods are blocking sources of racism, although also means that people who don't see can wind up thinking that there isn’t any racism.

Thanks! Yeah, one of the dynamics is that when people quickly report and mods take the posts down quickly, most people don't see them ... which is good, but also means that it's easy to believe that there isn't any racism.

Thanks, it's a great example, and good to hear they got banned quickly! It's a great point that when moderators are proactive most people don't see the posts so think there's less racism than there actually is.

Thanks, in the revised version I'll clarify the "Post less". And, I also have suggestions about amplifying Black voices similar to your last paragraph.

Thanks for the pointer.

Good point, thanks. I seem to recall another one as well -- although both were widely defederated so I suspect most people on those instances didn't wind up seeing them.

Thanks!

Thanks much for the detailed response! And thanks @TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org for the detailed response as well.