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You mean they are providing organ donations more than any other car. Silver lining. /s

How many Palestinians need to die before you discover a pattern?

I think he's ignoring this now. Oh well, I tried.

I hope not :( there's got to be a limit

But... @JustZ@lemmy.world, this is stuff only COGAT says but every other human rights organization has contested it and provided evidence of otherwise... do you think it's a good idea to get your sources from only one organization? And what about all the other organizations that discredit COGAT's claims (like the UN, doctors without borders, the red cross, the red crescent, etc...)? Is there something that makes you think they are all lying, or?

@JustZ@lemmy.world what do you think of this?

America has school shootings, would you deem it in the same light as Jordan which has honor killings? Both places seem to have unique problems arising from their different culture and environment.

Wait, but didn't Bibi and many of his government publicly express intent? Such as when they called all Palestinians animals, called for nuking them, or announced they will be cutting all water and supplies... what about all of that?

Okay, but I asked how Palestinians could be guaranteed safety in Israel and you just talked about hostage takes and whatnot. What about the non-hostage takers?

Look at this for example. Israel keeps displaying Palestinians in the West Bank. Just normal people and shepards and farmers. Crazy.

You equate all Palestinians with Hamas then?

But there is nothing to guarantee that... and Palestinians will still be oppressed by Israel. Right?

But Israel has been killing Palestinians long before Hamas... would the attacks in the West Bank stop? I don't think so.

So... if Israel nukes Iran, what will it do when it gets attacked by its neighbours? Won't they just attack Israel by land while Israel won't be able to respond with nuking their immediate neighbors? They already have good reason to do it since Israel has not been a good neighbor and has killed high numbers of civilians in Lebanon.

So you don't mean neighbouring countries.

How... how would a nuke program deter your neighbors? Wouldn't that ruin your water supply and complicate everything for you?

I think about this often. It's the overall world view for some people. It's hard to escape the bubble, despite us clearly seeing how stupid the bubble is from the outside. Sometimes I wonder if some people are so afraid of failure that they have to have something, anything, to hang their pride on. Choosing your race or skin color to be proud of is much easier than being proud of your community or actions or cultural expression or scientific achievements. Probably because those things shift and change and require thought and patience. In their minds, they may not think they are privileged but rather victims. They may not think they are racist, but that they are looking our for their own and just misunderstood. A lot of it is victim-mentality and quite frankly collectively narcassistic. I don't think this is unique to white supremacists, but any supremacists at all.

That's, ironically, how the white supremacists felt all these years lol

Well said

Huge thanks for the links.

For example, reading the articles, it’s impossible to determine if you just read 10 articles about 10 different events, or 10 articles about the same event, because the articles don’t include enough detail. Yet, if people read the same headline then times, they’re going to think it must be true. I’ve gotten into it with people here on Lemmy where they tell me how wrong I am and just look at all these examples of Israel doing a thing, and then they post three examples all talking about the same one event and they don’t even realize.

First off, thanks for the very detailed reply!

This is a very important point. Any numbers can be inflated. When early Zionists committed the Deir Yassin (?) massacre, many Palestinian freedom fighters inflated the real numbers to fear-monger others to join them in their fight. Some also downplayed the numbers for their own reasons. This is one of the things I've learned recently just reading about the history of this long conflict. Very interesting!

That being said, I've also come to understand that many evidence is video based and can be geolocated and confirmed using landmarks and so on. I doubt that they will only present their case using news articles with no footage/video evidence.

I totally agree that a history of war crimes doesn't mean Israel is committing all of them 🤣

However one thing that stood out for me was not having allowed adequate aid in. On one hand, Israel says it's providing enough aid. On the other hand, the UN and every other organization are talking about some of the difficulties of getting aid in and some decisions that Israel has taken sound ridiculous though! I read they didn't allow dates in, and many everyday items were branded as "dual use" and banned from entering (like scissors!!).

To me the news reports are too chaotic to make a case against Israel, but the throttling of aid entering while also conducting military operations at every single hospital in Gaza could, in my opinion, be strong indicators to use in a case against them at the ICC. Of course I know Hamas operates often from the midst of civilian crowds, but whether they were there in the hospitals or not may not play such a huge role because in the end a large number of civilians were harmed and life-saving and essential infrastructure was destroyed by Israel. It doesn't look good for them even though I understand why it was necessary.