TechNom (nobody) @ technom @programming.dev

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I forgot that ad and had to look it up. It's pretentious and annoying as hell.

I have a feeling that the OS in question here is Windows. Not as bad as Apple's walled garden, but similar results.

If I were, I wouldn't be hanging out here, would I? BTW, I use both Vim and Emacs.

More like a personal bias in the form of a distasteful snark that the author thinks is funny. Their demonstrated knowledge about Emacs in the article indicates the worth of such remarks.

They're a trillion dollar company acting like a petulent child

No. They're a trillion dollar company acting like a greedy dirty scum that they are.

You think that's going to convince them? Plenty of people consider Apple as the second coming of the messiah. They would cheer if Apple dropped a bucket load of crap on their desk.

Considering venvs as bloat is being a bit harsh on yourself. True that venvs don't try to share packages among themselves. But storage isn't costly enough to justify the effort in saving there.

There are plenty of development tools that take up more than 5GB of space for no reason. Even there, the bloat comes from the network bandwidth needed to update them and the fact that they make it easy to hide malware. Hardly anything free software can be considered bloated on that account.

That sounds like a .... good thing?

PS: I didn't realize wood working and gardening are therapeutic. Sounds like a wonderfully productive solution to a pesky problem.

It’s been 8 years and they’ve done nothing and still haven’t.

My uploads from the day discord released are still there.

Is there any guarantee that they won't? The same statement has been repeated for many such platforms and has proven to be completely myopic. Reddit has a 20 year history and they still managed to screw its entire user base. This argument is very weak is because it relies entirely on the benevolence of a for-profit company, to whom their profits outweigh the interests of their user base. All the alternatives mentioned here have a way to replicate and archive the data for future searches - they don't depend on anyone's benevolence.

The criticism that you have to make an account to use a search feature which many forums already do makes no sense.

I don't know the exotic logic you rely on. But I can search forum posts from Google or DuckDuckGo without ever registering. Let's see you search Discord messages without installing a crappy client (their web interface is lobotomized), registering and possibly giving up your phone number in the process.

There were many times I couldn’t find a Reddit thread using a web search whereas I could immediately find it using reddits built-in search.

You are attacking a strawman. The target you choose to prove your point is Reddit? The company that screwed its entire userbase in order to cut off their competitors from data access - which is the reason why they don't work well with searches? People don't like Discord for the same reasons as Reddit. Both are silos meant to lock users in.

Most of the search engines aren’t actually that good because there is too much noise in most web browser results these days.

If you know the exact website or app where the discourse for your topic is happening then 99% of the time you have far better results just using that websites built in search instead of the trash results modern browsers give you.

This is laughably inaccurate. So, you're just making up facts now? I do web searches on technical problems and search engines perform very well. Your claim doesn't stand up in an actual test.

May I remind you that situation you’re describing already happened countless times since the days of free forum boards and irc channels going down. Yet we’ve always managed to keep things going.

There is a reason why Discord is not searchable online - it's a silo by design. And they intend to monetize it someday. Doing that today will affect the growth of their platform. But some day when their growth slows down and once they've achieved lock-in, they will start restricting it. Even if you have reasons to believe that the current management has no reasons to do so, they will get acquired by someone else lacking the same sensibilities. You should be completely blind to not see this play out again and again and again. Reddit is the most recent example. If you think that it isn't going to happen with Discord, then you're just deluding yourself about the value you represent to a for-profit company.

On the other hand, those forums and IRC servers that you claim to have gone down, have backups and searchable archive because they are designed with them in mind. Longevity of information is not an accident - it's by design.

Things shutting down and information needing to be found again is not a big deal.

You're making up nonsense again. May be it's not important to you. But they are important to FOSS projects and their users. They don't just want to be able to pull up solutions to previously encountered problems - they depend on the traceability of the said information. You wouldn't have made such nonsensical claim if you were seriously involved in a project.

Yes I and most of the world are willing to not cry about making an account for that guaranteed stability.

The statistics of this entire discussion doesn't agree with your statement. But let's forget that for now. You're not crying about making an account or stability of the platform because you're foolish enough to believe in those. You don't have the insight required to observe what's happening all around you. I can't wait for the day to come back and say 'I told you so'. Because it will happen. Nowhere in history has it happened in any other way.

Matrix clients are slow and clunky because the protocol is heavy and overloaded. Upcoming sliding-sync feature will make them a bit more responsive.

Talking about specific clients, my favorite is Fractal. It's still missing some features though (like spaces). But it's getting updated fast.

I didn't know that. That single reason alone is enough to completely exclude discord from open source projects.

I had the fortune of being the trainer for my company in all things git. I made sure that my colleagues (most of whom were straight out of universities) were introduced to git CLI and git concepts. No git GUIs were introduced. Consequently, the mess they made was easy to rectify. And then I occasionally read about horror stories like these where GUIs are allowed.

Funny. I have the opposite experience with git. Use GUI for simple tasks and drop to CLI when it's complicated or when something goes wrong.

I thought they were talking about Discord. Discourse should rename itself for its own sake. It's easy to get it confused with the two junk.

That is extremely annoying. Hate it when it happens.

Ooh! A post with claims backed by evidence!

That's not the case for open source projects. There are many projects that use Discourse as their primary support channel. There seems to be no dearth of users asking questions there.

The gold standard of threaded conversations is Zulip.

It's bloated, filled with features no one needs for straight-forward work, has a somewhat obtuse UI and is buggy as hell. I don't like Matrix much more than Discord. But even it has far fewer problems. I don't know in which universe Discord is considered as 'good'.

Using phone numbers as second factor authentication is neither secure, nor is it in good faith. Force the customer to use something more anonymous and secure - like Fido keys or even TOTPs. Sneaking in ways to force the customer to reveal their personal details, in the name of security is a sinister dark pattern.