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https://lemmy.ml/post/26015584

I made some comments here about this

They forgot to put the woke in the website code. It's a similar issue to taking the woke out of the airplanes.

Other people are absolutely going to take their cues from them and even try to become influencers. (We may wish to only relay particular messages, but we are boosting their personal brand.) That could have utility to intel agencies as well, encouraging everyone to organize openly on platforms that are not just public and as open to interference and infiltration as possible, but also profitable data scraping sources for social research. Knowing there's no alternative or way around that, and this is what the majority of opposition media in the west consists of is why I am trying to find explanations. It's not like these kinds of people haven't been educational to me. I remember my whole pipelining from wondering why game developers can't do whatever they want & whether my VPN actually works all the way to this conversation.

I may be paranoid, but I'm scrutinizing what really is the difference between someone like Ben Norton and Russel Brand. It's considerable, but not as far as I'd like. I question whether the exceptions to the good takes of someone like Rania Khalek on Syria are organic, or a deliberate attempt to spend earned credibility and redirect political energy back into safe or beneficial avenues for the feds.

Of course, this isn't all cut and dry. The majority of this is accomplished through process of elimination on social media, controlling the academic and journalistic apparatus with funding. It naturally produces these people. There are a number of ways to look at the system of compatible left journalism I am describing that go way beyond "X person is an informant".

When I'm done with work I will try to find the time to write up the details of what I'm talking about in an actual post, as I am glossing over so much, but I just want to say if they were all communists it wouldn't change my mind. (It's just something which points to them being more agreeable to the form of nonviolent antiwar activism that was cooked up by the CIA in the late 1900s. The communist groups they feds are involved with have been kept the smallest and on the fringes compared to the DSA and more generic identity centered activism.) It's more about how they fit into the expansion of the dissident journalist whistleblower scene into the pure glitz, style, and repetition of social media influencing.

I agree with these people on all kinds of things, but what do they want me to do? Just go out and try to create a mass consciousness event. People already are acutely aware of how fucked things are. They are bereft of organization and tactics, and these people offer them nothing other than recruitment drives, marches, and high production value videos for communicating with other people.

I do think that there is the potential for organizations and people that are compromised to have a mixed outcome and be genuinely confronted by the feds. E.g. McCarthyism smashing everything up resulting in us having access to the docs revealing the fed funding and infiltration of New Left groups, or grow into something greater.

Yeah let me pull it up. I encountered it randomly in his mentions. I shouldn't say that so flippantly.

Well, my reasoning for them being controlled opposition figures varies. I don't know much about Medhurst, but he gets a ton of attention, adding very little to the conversation, and is not a communist. (None of these alt media people are ever communists! There's only Ben Norton and some people associated with party organizations that have been turned into appendages of activism NGOs.) In addition, Medhurst seems to have a scandal following him around about DMs with minors.

The other people I mentioned are incredibly spooky. CodePink is part of the Veterans for Peace network, which is pretty closely connected with establishment figures and advocates for very minor reforms. They get away with holding Extinction Rebellion-style protests that end up almost looking like photo ops with Blinken. Blumenthal is suspicious not just because of his family ties and stalking of a former employee and associations with libertarians, but also becayse of the way he discredits a lot of The Grayzone's good work by veering into culture war nonsense. Kiriakou is wild, I will add more on this later, but he lied about being present at the torture of Abu Zubaydah, but records show that he was working at locations which did torture other people. His whole "inaccurate intel" framing of the problem with torture is weak, he never disavows the CIA, his whole framing is he wants the organization to be more morally upright. After his arrest he is still working right in Washington D.C. hosting a show on RT, which as an alt media outlet is a target for all kinds of US HUMINT assets.

I can't say for sure, but do you see why I would be suspicious of these people?

For sure but sometimes it feels like it's a way of building cred for assets like Max Blumenthal or the CodePink lady whatshername or Kiriakou. Maybe I just fail to understand the game, but you see people get dragged away forever and it doesn't boost their profile whatsoever like this. I feel like there could be something that I'm not seeing.

What's with this alt media journalist catch-and-release game they keep doing?