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  • This type of thread does not work. There are too many misunderstandings and wrong assumptions between users, people treat each other as enemies and the thread just devolves into a flame war. I expect this thread will need to be locked very soon.

    I am 100% convinced that the negative image many Lemmy users have of Hexbear is completely wrong. These "hexbear discussion" posts are just a constant escalation, where more and more users mutually attack each other, and these attacks pull in further "neutral" users into the conflict, forcing them to "choose sides". It's completely unnecessary and in fact counterproductive - I am sure that in fact most of us want the same things, such as good living conditions for all humans globally, sustainable use of the planet's resources, etc.

    I really hate seeing users get harassed on Lemmy, regardless of what instance they are registered on. I don't really know how to solve this constant drama and internet fighting (other than simply isolating users through defederation, which I'm not interested in doing), so if anybody has any ideas, please let me know.


    Side-note: over the past few weeks, I have received several DMs from users directly attacking me for not defederating Hexbear. This instance is provided through volunteer effort, I am not planning to respond to feedback in the form of demands or attacks, so I am not responding to these DMs directly, but I will write a generic response here:

    1. Lemmy allows you to block users and communities
    2. Lemmy will soon also allow you to block instances
    3. You always have the option to switch to another instance with a different approach to federation, or start your own
  • Hey, are you sure you're not misinterpreting the votes? There was a small minority of users in favor of federating, but the majority was against it.

  • Honestly... it's not great. I would not recommend it unless you're playing with somebody who is not put off by constant bugs and general jank.

    In terms of bugs, I've had several occasions where one player can no longer open the map - it just starts opening the quest log instead of the map. I've also had a few occasions of the screen just going completely white. Also, I've had a player just become locked in a dialogue with no way of exiting.

    For an example of jankiness, one key aspect of the whole game, dialogues, is just completely awful:

    1. Both players can begin separate dialogues at the same time, one just gets muted
    2. It's impossible to automatically begin a dialogue with two players, one player has to start it, and the other has to "listen" to it as an additional step
    3. It's impossible to switch control of dialogues during a dialogue. This is constantly an issue, because sometimes, dialogues are triggered when you walk past some invisible checkpoint. Basically you're forced to always have your high charisma player to walk in front and hope they end up triggering all the dialogues.
    4. It's impossible to contribute to dialogues in any way as the "listening" player. Even if you have some aspect to your character that might provide an interesting line, you are just locked out.
    5. If both players speak to a character in succession, the exact same dialogue gets repeated. It's jarring and completely breaks immersion.

    There's more, but I'm kind of getting more and more annoyed at the game as I write this, so I think I will just stop here, you probably get the picture 😅

    I think the co-op is a complete afterthought in this game, and I will probably be replaying it in single player for a hopefully better experience at some point.

  • Thanks for posting this, OP.

    I have heard this negative feedback regarding the repost instances many times from several users, and conversely, I have not heard any positive feedback about those instances at all.

    At the moment, my perception is that these instances universally disliked here, and as they are objectively having a negative effect on lemm.ee through effectively creating a ton of spam without any real discussion, perhaps we should indeed consider defederating. I would really appreciate if people who actually enjoy content from those instances could share their thoughts here!

  • Ah, those images have not actually federated to us, they are hosted by lemmy.world.

    To be clear: image posts by users of other instances will work fine, but I have modified Lemmy code to no longer make local copies of the images in such posts. Your browser is fetching the images directly from lemmy.world servers when you open those posts.

  • Can you give an example of a federated image?

  • FYI to all admins: with the next release of pict-rs, it should be much easier to detect orphaned images, as the pict-rs database will be moved to postgresql. I am planning to build a hashtable of "in-use" images by iterating through all posts and comments by lemm.ee users (+ avatars and banners of course), and then I will iterate through all images in the pict-rs database, and if they are not in the "in-use" hash table, I will purge them.

    Of course, Lemmy can be improved to handle this case better as well!

  • We already ban users, but this can only be done reactively, and for something as severe as CSAM, I think it's really important to have preventative measures in addition to reactive measures.

  • Leaving image uploads completely disabled would also be an option to fight this particular type of attack, but there are also other issues with open registrations. For example, while our sign-up captcha seems to be preventing automated registrations, we are still having to ban advertiser accounts almost daily. I think an invite system would really help to reduce sign-ups by any kind of users intending to abuse the system.

  • The promise of the federated network is only really that any one single instance operator can not force changes upon the whole network. If users are unhappy with any instance, they always have the chance to move to another one or host their own, while still retaining access to the same federated network - this is not possible with existing centralized platforms.

  • I'm very happy if users who are comfortable with running live services set up their own instances, I think that's one of the best ways to ensure long-term success for Lemmy.

    In response to "let the forum police themselves" - this is not a thing, unfortunately. While it's super important for lemm.ee that users downvote and report rule breaking content, somebody still has to deal with the consequences of these reports. Our admins are now already handling a three digit amount of reports daily. Additionally, there is a chance that illegal content is uploaded and never reported, but we still have a legal responsibility to deal with it.

  • I'm sorry for your experience and I hope you're doing better now. It's very important to note that the major victims in this "attack" are absolutely the abused children. That's exactly what makes this the most disgusting attack on Lemmy to date.

  • The Lemmy.world team is getting some authorities involved already for this particular case. I am definitely in favor of notifying law enforcement or revelant organizations, and if anybody tries to use lemm.ee to spread such things, I will definitely be involving my local authorities as well.

  • To be clear, only image uploads to lemm.ee are disabled, posting images which are hosted externally is still enabled.

  • I agree that users should be able to join Lemmy freely, but I think it makes a lot of sense to try and spread users out more between instances - this spreads out the responsibilities between more admins, spreads out the load between more servers and also reduces the chance of a single point of failure for the whole system.

    It's clear that there are seriously vile people out there who want to cause huge amounts of damage to Lemmy, and if we have unlimited growth in a few selected instances, then these people only have to target those specific instances for maximum damage.

    In a perfect world, none of this would be necessary, but then again, in a perfect world, we wouldn't need a decentralized platform in the first place.

  • Yep, I've already tested it and it's one of the options I am considering implementing for lemm.ee as well.

  • @TWeaK is correct, I am only deleting our copies of images which are already hosted on other instances.

    As for imgur (or any other external image host), such images have always worked on lemm.ee. For example, this is hosted on imgur:

    In addition to using external images in comments, you are also able to submit posts with imgur images, and they will get embedded directly into the Lemmy UI.