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USERS are the problem.

No they aren't, system(capitalism) is the problem. The llm work as intended, corpos can just market it anyway they want, hype people and collect money even with llm content is actually shitier, info you learn is shittier, everything is shittier. And of course point you seem to avoid but my guess is you will also blame it on the "users" is people loosing jobs due to llms, and actually people working more and payed less also due to llm.

It’s laughable that people think LLMs are even a dent in “society.”

It is, as i said people loosing jobs, loosing agency, learning shit info etc. Social networks afaik didn't have kind of impact, of course shitty info yes and also AI amplified that shitty info intake via algorithm to keep people glued to the screen.

The uses are not the problem, capitalism is.

I don't use online only local ones. So do you want to say how you see efects of llm on society ?

You could say the same about social media and the entire internet. Would you choose to regulate that?

Yes, fediverse is imo good(not great) model of regulation by the network(s) itself.

I recall in the mid 90s a group of people on the street corner protesting AOL (America OnLine) and saying the internet should be stopped. They were right.

The vague way you talk about AI makes be think that you don’t know much about it. what do you use AI for? Is it ChatGPT?

I use it small ammount most for translation and generating names for projects all locally.

The point is llms can steer you in harmful direction, there is much hype around it, the effects on labour, effects on human agency and knowledge etc. The power is in big tech not in some communities that use AI for their needs, but the big tech creating needs and solutions to fullfill them via advertisment, hyping it etc. That is the point of discussion not if I used it or not, or to compare it with knife or social media(that is better comparison but still) etc.

Do you think llms are that much beneficial to society or not ? What effects you see from llms in society ?

If you’re going to refuse entire categories of tools then we are down to comparing AI to AI, which is a pointless conversation and I want no part of it.

The point is not to compare but analyze how AI affects us and the world around us, society. By saying "it's just a tool", or "knives can also be missuesd" you relativize discussion and that rethoric just contributes to defending openAI and other big techs and even helping them banalize the issue.

From what i witnessed is that people lose agency, get and belive fake info, everything becoming slop, people loosing jobs getting replace by more workers that are less payed etc.

EDIT: And no it's not the same as knife or razor or a gun, it will never be.

Kitchen knife, razor blades are a different category, for self-help books also. LLM is completely different category and there is no point of comparing knife to an llm besides to do a relativization.

not that i know of

Rogue Trooper

Archived backup here

From federated protocols yes! But I would like to see something really p2p to take over. So far no luck

and the entire protcol with it, they just have better marketing than xmpp, and from what i read are even worse protocol.

Such a stupid title, great software!

Hey good luck! Glad you are exploring this world and want to find better software to use.

P2P caught my interest because of the possibilities that opens up when you remove the middle-man/server (even better call quality, no file size limits). But it doesn’t have to be P2P - I’m just a fan of “local first”, decentralization and democratization of technology in general.

I agree, we share the same sentiment about it. Unfortunatley I didn't find anything p2p near as either centralized or decentralized(federated) services are. I do have hope there will be good infrastructure and apps that are fully p2p with no blockchain scams around them in the near future around 5 years.

For now I think xmpp is the way to go. Here you have a list of servers, and there are plenty of clients avaiable. Clients: Web - inverse.chat, movim.eu (conversejs a framework to use xmpp on the web) Desktop - Gajim, Dino, Psi+ Android - Conversations (download from f-droid) <- this one is really good iOS - Monal

Here you have more info. XMPP also has it's own issues, for example metadata, different servers supporting different stuff, different client supporting different stuff but overall it is in a really usable state and stable. Just pick some servers that are not connected to companies or states.

Also a thing about matrix which is, from what I see, more popular than xmpp, my guess is due to more marketing. In my opinion it shouldn't be used nor should get any praise from privacy oriented people. Here is a good article going further.

I'd try Tox out also, seems good. And it's good to use those apps to normalize and boost p2p, by using them we are helping them in the long run. Also Signal is kinda good option, but it is centralized which is it's biggest flaw. I think Signal did most of the work by popularizing e2e protocol which now everyone use and that they will stagnate in a centralized stage, becoming nearly commercial product.

super meat boy

If you can name alternatives with similar functionality made by people who are not affiliated with crypto, I’m all ears

https://tox.chat/index.html maybe this, didn't try it, but it says it has audio/video calls and file sharing.

How strict are you on going with full p2p, because xmpp is federated(not p2p) and it has nice network of servers working a long time and ok clients to use, Conversations being the best imo. Some of my friends switched their family and friends to xmpp and complaints at all

Why would you use it anyway ? If you want p2p chat there are options not connected to any blockchain, briar for example.

but if I don’t use it, where’s the harm?

The harm is already made by making this application. By using it you help spread idea that p2p=blockchain/crypto which is not the case. It's just that cryptobros coopt word "p2p" into their language and supposedly they are p2p.

Same as you don't have to use their micropayment, there is no reason to use this app also. There are real p2p options, as I said briar for example, or some other p2p chat app without cryptobros bullshit.

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No thank you

thanks, cool feature, didn't know it exists, added to post

<3 thank youu

You(usa) and europe are the problem. I look forward to dissolution of your western imperial system so peoples of usa and europe truly get liberated and emanicpated