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What the fuck nonsense are you spreading?

There is no separate Arab Citizenship. The only thing I can think of is that there are certain villages that have in their charter that they can reject someone who wants to purchase a home there - but this is literally only legal for villages that have fewer than 700 houses (used to be 400 until 2023).

If they're not Israeli citizens then obviously they won't get the same rights - they aren't citizens. There are around 2 million Israeli Arabs who have full citizenship and not whatever bullshit you're slinging here.

To the best of my knowledge, this is the ICRC international who are supposed to visit the hostages, as they have been facilitating the release of both the hostages and the prisoners.

At this point, I think the families just want to know if their loved ones are still alive and don't care one bit if it's the ICRC or PRCS.

I pulled the list of the 50 added - it's actually a little interesting:

1. They are all women, 2 of whom are under 18.
2. 25 are Israeli citizens. The previous one was exclusively those who do not have Israeli citizenship.
3. All but 4 were arrested after October 7th.
4. 15 were charged with "תמיכה בטרור", which translates as "supporting terrorism". Another 12 were charged with "תמיכה בטרור, הסתה", so basically that + incitement to violence.
5. 3 were convicted already - 2 for attempted murder, and 1 for "תמיכה בטרור, עבירות מרמה, שירות לארגון בלתי חוקי, קשר לביצוע פשע" which Google translates as "Support for terrorism, fraud offences, service to an illegal organization, connection to the commission of a crime"
6. 35 of them are arraigned to civilian courts - 15 to military courts. As previously mentioned, this seems to correlate strongly with where they live/were arrested.

And the crowd pleaser:

Ahed Tamimi is on that list - she was charged with "הסתה, תמיכה בטרור", and is listed as being a member of "חז"ע". That is an accusation with very serious consequences if true - PFLP are a terrorist organization designated for sanctions by many countries - US, CA, UK, etc.

Short preface: please edit your post to not include the full article text - it's at risk for being removed (see Rule 2 in the sidebar)

The headline is objectively wrong - all 300 on the original list have been charged (I haven't checked the 50 who were added recently - life is busy). In fact, I went back to redownload the list to see if they fixed the encoding issue - they did, and they added the court file numbers for each person.

Of the original 300, 233 have not yet been convicted and were awaiting their trials. There are 58 being held on a singular "פגיעה בבטחון האזור" charge (Google translates as "Damage to the security of the area"), and would likely be released anyways. I say that because the remainder have much more detailed charges such as:

הצתה על רקע לאומני, נשק/תחמושת/חומרי נפץ, עבירות הסדר הציבורי, תקיפת שוטר בנסיבות חמורות, עבירות כלפי חיי אדם

which Google translates as:

Arson on a nationalist background, weapons/ammunition/explosives, public order offenses, assaulting a police officer under serious circumstances, offenses against human life

In fact, it makes it difficult to do proper data science on it in no small part because the charges are clearly typed by hand (typos and all), and include many different individual charges. There are 92 who are being charged in civilian courts, which seems to be based on where they were arrested, as the majority are from Jerusalem.

Interesting tidbit: none of the original 300 were arrested after October 7th.

EDIT: forgot to link the actual list

At least now they admit it happened. Now to convince them that maybe intentionally targeting civilians, raping, and kidnapping people isn't a good thing that should be celebrated.

Fat chance that will happen with the PLO as it is now. They figured out a long time ago that they get rich from not signing peace deals.

Initial reports from yesterday were that Hamas was going to release 14 hostages. Then Hamas could not locate the mother. Today they're changing their story that it was intentional. Hila has reported that she was being held with her mother up until two days ago.

At first I thought this might be Israel making lots of noise over a potentially ambiguous translation: Lost as in "dead" vs. lost as in "someone who doesn't know where they are". The fragment "...who was lost has now been found..." makes it pretty clear the intent was very much the latter.

He'll probably claim that linguistic thing as spin, and then deflect any further criticism.

Israeli media is reporting that Hamas is complaining about three things (N12, Times of Israel, Ynet):

1. That not enough aid was transferred to Gaza City. Per Israeli reports, 50 of the 200 trucks that entered today were supposed to go to the northern part of Gaza.
2. That the prisoners are not being released in the specific order that Hamas wanted them to be released (apparently they wanted it so the oldest are released first - although this may be by who had been in prison the longest)
3. That the IDF is not allowing Gazans to return to the northern part of the Strip (reportedly, this was actually an explicit part of the deal).

Israeli media are also reporting that a Qatari delegation have arrived in Israel to help facilitate quicker communication with Hamas, and that Qatar has told Hamas to "stop playing games", and that Egypt is also demanding they begin releasing hostages within the next hour. Israel has publicly announced they will resume the military campaign at midnight if the hostages haven't been released.

Al Jazeera for their part are reporting basically the same, with some analysis that Hamas are "trying to reach a parity with Israel".

UPDATE while writing this: while sourcing all these links and translating stuff, apparently the whole thing is now solved and the hostages are expected to be released in the next hour - 13 Israeli citizens and 7 foreigners.

Ideally? Back in 2010 when BP made it clear they were systemically hiding critical safety and environmental control failures.

For comparison, this is less than 1% of the deepwater horizon spill, and they've turned off the entire pipeline so there's little danger of it increasing in size.

You clearly haven't watched your forklift safety video. Warning: blood starts a few minutes in.

Their 2017 Charter in English, translated and published by Hamas.

Their 1988 Charter is far more violent and basically lays out plans for an Islamic State in the region.

You don't worry that limits you to stories that are already covered by your preferred news sources?

To be clear - I don't think you're headline shopping, but I think you might be missing out on coverage of topics - choice of coverage is an important part of media bias.

Do you mean this part:

20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea.

Or perhaps this part:

25. Resisting the occupation with all means and methods is a legitimate right guaranteed by divine laws and by international norms and laws. At the heart of these lies armed resistance, which is regarded as the strategic choice for protecting the principles and the rights of the Palestinian people.

Oh wait, there's more:

27. A real state of Palestine is a state that has been liberated. There is no alternative to a fully sovereign Palestinian State on the entire national Palestinian soil, with Jerusalem as its capital.

They define "Palestinian soil" earlier:

2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.

They have only 1 segment that even hints that they might accept a 2 state solution:

However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

Which is pretty hard to take at face as an acceptance of a two state solution when it literally says in the sentence before that that they reject any alternative other than "from the river to the sea" and in the sentence after completely reject the Oslo accords.

So you pick a random news site and read all their articles or do you search for additional coverage after seeing it on somewhere else?

Presumably there are "alternates" if there are objections to a specific person being released. One of the conditions is that no one who was convicted of murder will be released, so it may include someone who only gravely injured someone, rather than actually killed someone.

If you can find the list you can search each name. There well likely be some news articles about each one.

EDIT:

The full list (in Hebrew) is here: https://www.gov.il/he/Departments/DynamicCollectors/is-db

Israeli press is already raising some objections to those who were being held for attempted murder - including one woman who repeatedly stabbed a mother in front of her kids.

How do you find these sources?

This one doesn't even have a MBFC rating, even though it seems to be the second most popular newssite in Pakistan.

• That didn't happen.
• And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
• And if it was, that's not a big deal.
• And if it is, that's not my fault.
• And if it was, I didn't mean it.
• And if I did you deserved it.

The advance came a day after the World Health Organization evacuated 31 premature babies from Shifa Hospital. At least 28 were transported to Egypt on Monday.

Times of Israel are reporting 29 babies made it to Egypt

Following the evacuation from Shifa, over 250 patients with severely infected wounds and other urgent conditions remain in Shifa, which can no longer provide most treatment after it ran out of water, medical supplies and fuel for emergency generators amid a territory-wide blackout.

I'm guessing they are going with the WHO numbers reported before patients were evacuated. According to a doctor who was still in the hospital on Saturday, there are only 120 patients left.

I'm talking about you, snek. The media that you read and watch. Stick with Reuters, AP, BBC, maybe CNN or something for three days. No Arabic language media (or English-variant thereof) whatsoever. Pay special attention to which stories are missing. I wouldn't want you to deprive yourself of local news long term - that's just unrealistic and petty. But give it a try and see what happens when you go back.

I don't throw out a source for simply criticizing Israel, but I do give them a boot when they refuse to condemn Hamas' actions, or they are so heavily one-sided that it's no longer a joke. I strongly believe that this war needs to be seen through to the end of Hamas. A ceasefire would only prolong the suffering of Gazan civilians and ultimately result in the death of more civilians. Hamas could end this war immediately by surrendering to face trial for crimes against humanity and release the hostages.

UNRWA is not a clean organization. Their presence in Gaza is deeply enmeshed with Hamas to the point that UNRWA was at risk of losing their funding because they were unwilling to remove dehumanizing hate speech from their curriculum. Hamas successfully chased out a director because he dared to even say that Israel was trying to minimize civilian casualties.