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He's never been in favor of it. The only reason he has a leg to stand on in the health care debate is that Obama took a stand and forced him to as part of being VP. Before that Biden was running as the guy who wanted to lower the age of medicare eligibility, and that was the full extent of his health care aspirations. This is when insurance was denying women coverage when they got pregnant, and health care was simply out of reach for the poor so you could die of very treatable medical needs, as if this was a country without resources to do any better.

He toed the line during Obamas terms, and now he's back to having very limited aspirations-- to nibble around the edge of problems and call it incremental change, but never aspire to take on any bigger changes directly. call it whatever it is, it amounts to the same outcomes: is it how a candidate fleeces the health care companies for donations?, or is it indifference?, or cowardice? In the end its the outcomes that matter with these things, not what a politician says. Words are just air.

Biden says coronavirus’ impact on health system hasn’t changed his mind on single-payer https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/biden-says-coronavirus-hasnt-changed-his-mind-on-single-payer.html

87% of Democrats Support 'Medicare for All,' Though Joe Biden Doesn't https://www.newsweek.com/87-democrats-support-medicare-all-though-joe-biden-doesnt-1522833

I'd imagine the spermicide exists to ensure the lubricant on the condom doesnt act as a transport for sperm, not as a primary method of efficacy.

Looking at it as a mechanical problem: Sometimes in condom usage, I've noticed that a little air that gets sucked into the condom, and then works its way out again. So clearly theres some limited fluid exchange possible at the base of the shaft, which may then end up as sperm in places its not intended to be as the use of the condom continues.

Kamala better cut him loose if she wins.

Russia has said they are going to do asymetrical warfare with the west. So why should we not prepare for what they claim they will do? Russians arent owed anything by us. Not a seat at the table, not a chance to contribute to open source software, not to be listened to. Not rights beyond their borders. It doesnt matter if they are nice. Its not our job and not realistic to expend time and resources to take each individual russian's personal measure and apply sanctions onesey twosey on the bad ones. If they dont like it they should take it up with their motherland and get it sorted. I think we should immediately shut down all visas of any kind with Russia. The fact that the US is still allowing them to vacation here is absurd.

The zionist ideology has no relation to ancient Judaism.

I dont agree. Contrast the zionists with the zealots faction toward the end of the second temple period. The zealots and the zionists are essentially the same group. The zealots genocided the whole region in their time: Roman, Greek, Arabs alike. More than a million murdered to build a "new Israel". The Romans marched in and counter-genocided their asses.

Jewish-Roman wars [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish–Roman_wars] Kitos War [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War]

Ever hear zionists bellyache about how unfair it is that they have been kicked out of countries? After the zionist rebels genocided 240,000 greeks in Cyrpus-- Rome took Cyprus back and jews were unwelcome on the island, even if they came by shipwreck, on pain of death. I think thats an understandable outcome considering how few people bring up WHY that outcome occurred.

This is exactly what people mean when they say its perilous to forget our history. This is a repeat of the jewish-roman wars, again with the genocide and land theft.

You have a very interestingly nuanced position in all this.

I'd be happy if some sort of god entity announced its existence and was interested in us and not malevolent. Why not. I've been wrong enough times in life that I wouldnt be surprised to be wrong again. Like you, I think its extraorinarily unlikely, especially with the reinforcement of the arc of history. In life you have to act according to the odds. If theres a .0001 chance of fish being in a pond, its not worth spending the time to fish there. I consider religion in a similar light. The odds of a god being there seem miniscule to me, and yet their followers are here all the time, and take an oversized stage for having such a miniscule chance of being correct, and they push their ideas on the rest of us, but seldom will entertain challenges to why they do these things. Like championing more reproduction but being against feeding the poor from their church kitchens (for some, not all of them).

My experiences in this regard are not average, I hope, so feel free to take what I say with whatever amojnt of salt you judge appropriate. I come from an intensely catholic upbringing. Even after my aunt was raped by a monk, who went unpunished. My parents' generation of two large families stayed catholic even in light of that. The kids, universally, could not stay with the church upon hearing this. I think the perception of religion has gone through a generational change starting at genX, and churches broadly have not kept pace, as you alluded to. I am convinced, like you, that this is progress for humanity. I am willing to give religious people the respect for their ideas they hold dear commensurate with the liklihood of them being correct or even useful, although I deem them to be .00000000000000000001% useless compared to the chance of there being no deities involved with our affairs, and that we should own our world ourselves.

cheers, good chat.

Well take a minute to read about the jewish roman wars on wikipedia and get back to me. The history of the zealots faction is one of terrorism and genocide and thats just a fact.
We cant just pretend history doesnt exist.
Nor can we pretend the killing of innocents in the middle east right now is ethical or justified.
Nor can we pretend that pushing back on the extremist wing of far right Judaism equates to antisemitism against all jews.

If you want to play at verbal gymnastics and call that anti semitism go ahead, I couldnt care less-- it just makes me take you all the less seriously when you try to pervert language like that. That word has been flung around as a shield for all kinds of criminal immoral nonsense and its lost the meaning it used to have. Its just a lazy crybully propoganda defense these days.

OK fair enough on the ad homs, you are right on that and I apologize. I would challenge you on the idea that religion been examined as rigorously and freely as every other philosphical ideas. Faith is belief without question, is it not? And the christian bible is a bit of a joke-- most if not all "holy" books are. But they are held up as a standin for morality and we are demanded to respect them, and not ask too many questions about them, usualyl at threat of violence or other coercions. Isnt history littered with the bodies of scientists and philosophers who werent allowed to inconvenience the church?

It amazed me that when you find religious strife, atheists are often singled out for the worst punishments.
I think its summarized pretty well with this quote of Bakker's: "Theres nothing the ignorant prize more than the ignorance of others."

I think if people should generally mind their own business unless something directly impinges on their individual freedom to live. That includes not making rules about how women should use their bodies. Let women decide that themselevs, or you're being a tyrant. (I am an old white guy). Christianity doesnt beleive in that, and refuses to honestly examine it. Dogma and whatever the oldest white guy in a funny hat says trumps rational discourse every time.

the only "god" we should be worshipping is ourselves as entities that are constituent of a human society that differentiates us from the other animals. In my opinion, everything else is someone trying to use you or get you to adopt their worldview. This forces us to be our own masters and own the outcomes we create in the world. And to treat each other better.

What do you think?

a disproof of religion

You've got the burden of proof turned around. Its not on us to diprove the existence of your mythical skyfairy. Its not our job to respect it in any way either. Feel free to start a religion that worships toe-jam if you want to. No one cares. What if I told you that lower intelligence correlates to higher religious fervor?

is rather disrespectful of the Christian position.

Why is the christian position worthy of any respect al all? Labeling any idea thats "religion" as automatically worthy of reverence is simply privelage speaking, at best. At worst its deep stupidity protecting itself from analysis. You're in a cult buddy. One that has inconsistent medieval ideas and a pedophilia problem. The fact that we even need to remind you of those absolute facts doesnt speak well of you.

Smarter than you? yes. Absolutely. You like to hunker down and talk to yourself with a very stern look on your face. You call it praying. You also like to let some old pedo effers dressed up in costumes waving a barely relevant internally inconsistent book of outdated medeival tribal ideas tell you what to do. You think accepting it without question at all, no matter how crazy it is-- faith-- is somehow a virtue. You're a slave in a cult.

May your all powerful sky fairy strike me down if I'm telling any untruths here.

Being old looks rough anyway.

As though we just do societal collapse on Wednesday and then start living our best lives on Thursday?

Commenter never said that. So you're just strawmannning. Do you honestly think capiatlism and consumerism will do an about face and start taking care of the rapidly degrading environment? If not, it would seem that we then we need to change how we behave, soon-- right? Accelerationists are at least doing something, even if it may not be the right plan, while you are whining to keep the exact status quo going thats killing us all, and doing nothing to improve things .

To use a metaphor: dont criticise the fat guy working out at the gym while you youself are sitting on your butt, are also fat and have ice cream on your face. If you want to criticise, get off your ass and get to work on something better. Otherwise shut it and let the adults figure out how to save your ass while you do nothing.

We cant even figure out how to make recycling work.

agreed, but you put people in a murderous pressure cooker and keep turning up the heat and it'll expode. Thats part of the burden of being in charge. It speaks to motive and I asribe a lot of the blame to Israel for what happened on Oct 7. You dont oppress people to that level for 80 years and then act surprised when they lose their minds over it.

what you are espousing here is blatant anti-semitism.

what a load of crap.

this is the opinion of the overhwelming majority of Israelis. "90% of Jewish Israelis supported the decision to start the offensive against Hezbollah even while the war was continuing in Gaza." https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-is-riding-success-vs-hezbollah-but-will-oct-7-anniversary-change-that/

Only 19% of Israelis think the IDF has gone too far in Gaza https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/

its astrofishsticks, not astrophistics. You idiot.

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"wrong" is a subjective call dependent on the intelligence of the observer. To some other people the answer isnt 'wrong' or 'right' its 'I love my pickup' or 'boobs!' or 'me no like polls, they say me losing'.

the polls don’t matter

they should matter to Harris, who has the power to abandon some Biden baggage weighing her down. Like those pesky war enabling weapons shipments. But hey, if she wants to throw the election then theres nothing we voters can do to stop her. Just remember who had the chance and chose not take it, come nov 4. Its up to her now.