sj_zero @ sj_zero @lotide.fbxl.net

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I'd be much more amenable to your interpretation, tbh.

Defederation is a big deal because it's a solution that acts like a bomb, indiscriminate and destructive.

"I don't like this" great. Lots of people don't like stuff, and they shouldn't sub to stuff they don't like, and unsub or block users and communities they don't like.

The problem is that someone is making a final decision for everyone on that instance, about everyone on the other instance.

Person A on instance A doesn't like something Person B on instance B said. So they call for defederate. Suddenly, nobody on Instance A can see anything anyone on Instance B says and vice versa. Person C on instance A wasn't offended, Person D on Instance A liked Person B's content. Persons E and F on Instance B are perfectly fine people who never did anything wrong.

But nope, Person A defederates, and now nobody on either instance can talk unless they want to either hop around instances trying to find instances that are neutral to both(and there is such a thing as "guilt by association" on the fediverse so Instances might defederate just for not defederating with Instance B), or they'll need to have a bunch of accounts to get onto a bunch of different parts of the fediverse.

Defederation in anything but the most extreme of circumstances is actively damaging to the fediverse. Prior to the reddit migration, most lemmy instances were highly trigger happy with defederation, and fairly ban happy too. Thus, the system just stagnated. People still actively avoid the threadiverse because nobody wants to be walking on eggshells wondering what incorrect political opinion is going to get everyone on their instance dumped.

It's particularly bad with lemmy, because communities are server-centered instead of being decentralized. If you're subscribed to a bunch of communities on an instance and that instance defederates from you, then you're not only disconnected from the people on that instance, you're disconnected from all the other people on all the other instances connected to that community.

So rather than "I'm unsubscribing from this newsletter I don't like", it's "I don't like some of the articles in this newsletter, so I'm going to force everyone on my block to unsubscribe whether they want to or not"

I get it. I'd prefer a shinier app.

But thinking about it, as I said the app is a little dodgy so some of the stuff you need to do from the web, and the app is just a nice interface.

FBXL Lotide has open sign-ups. I'm the admin there.

Friendica hasn't been mentioned, it is threaded by default. Its where I started my fediverse journey.

Lotide has hoot as an app. Not a great app due to missing/broken features, but it does exist and work.

"this guy looks like this cartoon character" isn't racist.

Mitch McConnell looks and sounds like droopy dog, that's not racist either.

Either everyone calling each other hard r n-bombs, or everyone walking on pins and needles making sure that they don't say something against the will of the zeitgeist.

I just mentioned it yesterday: "the thing to know about dealing with romulans is that they are without honor."

Thanks for the hot tip, worf.

I'm impressed it isn't Neelix's fault. It seems like something he'd be responsible for.

I deleted all my big tech accounts, and lots of people are posting on the fediverse.

Imagine going back and being like "Yeah, let's talk about exactly why these are the final stage of human evolution."

And then it turns out that being a salamander is actually awesome, and they can shoot laser beams from their eyeballs and fly in space without a warp drive or something.

I mean, if they're just salamanders at the height of their evolution, then Q must be stifling a laugh at all times.

Reminds me of the 1st season episode "the neutral zone", and worf pipes up and says "the thing to remember about the romulans is that they are without honor" (think it's that episode), and its like "oh, thanks for the hot tip!"

Particularly if I lived in the us, I could see where making the claim that drinking water is a human right could be problematic.

If you decide that you want to live in the middle of the mojave, that's really a you problem. You can go to one of the many places that actually have water in the country. Whereas the western side of the continent has a problem with the droughts and lack of water, the East Coast has maybe too much water, all the water you could ever possibly drink.

The idea that someone owes it to you to get drinking water because you've decided to live somewhere that there is no water, it's a bit silly.

Now of course that fully changes in a global context. If instead of the United States you're in africa, with some countries having a lot of water and other countries having lack of water, and people can't just pick up and move from Egypt to ethiopia, then damming off the Nile as Ethiopia is doing is kinda a big deal.

Here's an alternative question: Do we really want the fediverse to take off like big tech did?

I sort of like that this little corner of the Internet isn't filled with a bunch of megacorporations and political bot farms trying to fiddle with our opinions to their benefit. Once it gets too big, it's going to lose something really important. Also, I fear that it could become impossible for a little operator to run an instance anymore.

100/100 -- Love it. I like wire duct as well, and I've always dreamed of 3d printing some (but only recently had a dependable enough printer for it to be an option)

You damn spoiled kids with your blue jeans and your rock and roll music and your auto complete!

The "making a penis for my robot son" arc was really bizarre.

May if he spent more time on "not evil" circuits and less on "fully functional penis", all that stuff never would have happened?

On the main fediverse you can really see it -- the thing everyone has in common is a back-end protocol. That's about it. You get trans instances and terf instances and no, they won't be joining hands to sing kumbaya.

The World Wide Web is another example of this that's much older. How many people reading this agree with Stormfront? Probably not that many. And yet both you and them are sharing the use of a variety of TCP/IP, HTTP, and HTML protocols and platforms.